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eduardsebe
post 5 Jun 2009, 10:19
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QUOTE(andu911 @ 3 May 2009, 11:28)
Oricum, in Romania e prea blanda pedeapsa pentru bautura la volan. Eu as face ca la americani... cu inchisoare.
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In America chiar daca esti baut nu iti face nimic,decat daca provoci daune te baga la inchisoare

QUOTE(al3 @ 4 Jun 2009, 19:46)
ce parere aveti e dauna totala?
din ce a zis cel de la renault: ambele aripi, bara fata, radiatoare, parbriz, lonjeron impins in motor (deplasat), vas de expansiune spart, cutia de viteze numai intra in a 1 , usa dreapta nu se inchide din cauza stalpului care a deformat si cupola putin + partea mecanica distributia, bielete si ce e pe dedesubt. in interior e sarit displayul de la radio si e rupta maneta aceea pentru reglajul volanului..
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Imi pare rau pentru ce s-a intamplat sad.gif...parerea mea e ca dauna totala mai mult ca sigur...o sa iti dea banii pe masina + masina care cred ca nu face mai mult de 2000 euro acum...
Stiu ca tu ai fost printre primii care au postat la jurnal de bord atunci cand am lovit eu masina sad.gif....


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post 5 Jun 2009, 10:40
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QUOTE(al3 @ 4 Jun 2009, 22:04)
daca se aplica faza cu epava mi-ar da vreo 4500 + masina.
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QUOTE(Flamingo @ 4 Jun 2009, 23:26)
6300 euro + epava, te-ai scos !
Bieletele  / caseta cu cat le dai ?  tongue.gif  icon_mrgreen.gif
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@flamingo: Erai obosit, da, stiu. icon_mrgreen.gif

@al3: Din pacate masina este atractiva pentru amatorii de combinatii de acest gen si poti lua chiar un 2000 de euro la prima strigare.
E mai atractiva de reparat si vandut decat dezmembrata, piesele se dau greu si in timp.


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post 5 Jun 2009, 10:46
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Asa e Hellcat... Ma obosise o sticla de vin rosu... blush.gif


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post 5 Jun 2009, 11:44
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deocamdata astept raspunsul de la asigurator.. azi sau cel tarziu luni ar trebui sa-mi zica daca o repara sau imi da banii smile.gif


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post 5 Jun 2009, 16:54
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Mai bine iti iei banii ...cine stie poate te vedem intr-un megane 3 biggrin.gif



Toate cele bune.


LE....ce viteza avea fratele tau cand a lovit-o?
si daca se poate sa mai adaugi ceva poze...

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post 6 Jun 2009, 16:19
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pai avea vreo 40-50 km\h in franare si cel de pe contrasens vreo 40 km\h.
la renault nu trebuia sa se deschida airbagul macar la pasager??

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post 6 Jun 2009, 17:58
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normal ca trebuia, da la francezi airbagu e mai de decor se pare... dry.gif


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post 6 Jun 2009, 18:19
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se pare pe naiba. Nu cred ca a fost decceleratia suficient de mare incat sa aiba nevoie de declansarea airbagurilor, tinand seama ca impactul a fost mai mult lateral (deci la masina a ajuns foarte putin din forta impactului). Dar stim.. renault-ul e prost smile.gif


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post 6 Jun 2009, 19:22
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eu zic ca impactul a fost destul de puternic, ce-i drept pe lateral. din cate am inteles sezorii de airbag se afla in lonjeroane no?? cel de la service a zis ca lonjeronul a fost impins in motor (acesta este deplasat inclusiv cutia de viteze).. deci a fost atins.. nedumerire.gif


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post 6 Jun 2009, 19:23
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Daca nici un pasager nu a fost ranit, inseamna ca nu a fost nevoie ca airbagurile sa se deschida.


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nu exista nici un senzor de airbag in lonjeron . calculatorul de airbag aer un accelerometru care masoara decelerarea. cand se atinge o anumita valoare , poc airbagu` .
oricum, la ce se vede acolo, la ce era nevoie de airbag?


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Dar la Suzuki de ce s-au deschis?!!!


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post 6 Jun 2009, 23:14
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pentru ca suzuki-ul din cate vad eu e mai afectat. Acolo e vorba pur si simplu de deceleratie, la suzuki probabil a fost mai mare.


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post 7 Jun 2009, 04:32
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QUOTE(Manuel @ 7 Jun 2009, 03:23)
Daca nici un pasager nu a fost ranit, inseamna ca nu a fost nevoie ca airbagurile sa se deschida.
Adica airbag-urile sar degeaba in cazul tuturor accidentelor in care ocupantii masinilor ies teferi si neatinsi din masini dupa accidente? Cunosc persoane care au iesit intregi din Megane, Focus sau Laguna, dar s-au deschis airbag-urile. Nu ar fi trebuit sa se deschida? Daca nu, atunci cand ar trebui sa se deschida?


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post 7 Jun 2009, 08:28
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adica airbagul ala nu e facut sa sara cand da o babuta cu sacosa in masina , ci doar cand sunt depasite anumite valori prestabilite pentru deceleratie. Airbagul ala nu e pus acolo sa sara oricand ci cand situatia devine maro (adica cand habitaclul de exemplu vine spre tine), tocmai in idee sa nu dai cu capul de ceva tare. Dar eu cred ca tu stii foarte bine acest lucru.


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post 7 Jun 2009, 08:58
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Si nu era si un senzor care la impact daca se atingea acel senzor sareau air bag-urile?
Eu cand am avut masina lovita mai aveam 7 cm pana la senzor(din spusele mecanicului),daca mi se deforma caroseria pana acolo bubuiau air bag-urile.
La mine in interior nu au fost decat radiatoarele si ranforsarea metalica de care e prinsa grila de aer.

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post 7 Jun 2009, 13:15
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adip, glumesti sau o faci pe-a... inocentul?


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Eduard, tu pricepi ca nu exista asa ceva?

Accelerometrul este cam intre scaune, pe sub consola centrala afaik.

Daca mai aveai 7cm pana la senzor acuma te plangeau rudele!


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Accident fara sa sara airbag-urile.


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Si? Ai patit ceva? Te-ai lovit de bord sau de volan?


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eu zic ca sunt accidente unde desi arata tabla indoita airbagurile nu au nevoie sa fie declansate:



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Manuel, nu glumesc, ci din contra, am pus foarte serios la indoiala ce spui - Daca nici un pasager nu a fost ranit, inseamna ca nu a fost nevoie ca airbagurile sa se deschida


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Si? Ai patit ceva? Te-ai lovit de bord sau de volan?
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Nu m-am lovit de nimic deoarece am avut centura. Dar sunt tare curios de ce nu au sarit airbag-urile. Impactul a fost foarte violent, am avut dureri de clavicula 3 sapt.


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Mai oameni buni, voi nu intelegeti ca airbagul se deschide daca sunteti in pericol de a va lovi de bord/volan?!

Ai avut centura, impactul nu a fost suficient de violent sa deplaseze bordul sau coloana de directie spre tine, masina si-a facut datoria - te-a protejat.

Cu ce crezi ca te-ar fi ajutat explozia airbagului? Crezi ca e vreo distractie mare cand iti face ala bum in fata? De obicei se lasa cu nasuri sparte si arsuri pe maini. Pe langa durerea de clavicula aveai nevoie si de asa ceva?


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post 7 Jun 2009, 16:30
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De arsuri pe maini am auzit si eu...ba chiar am vazut o stire in care oamenii au dat in judecata Dacia pentru arsurile pe care le aveau pe maini din cauza air bag-urilor



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post 7 Jun 2009, 17:10
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deci masina frantuzeasca trebuie sa se dezintegreze ca sa se deschida airbagurile... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(al3 @ 6 Jun 2009, 20:22)
eu zic ca impactul a fost destul de puternic
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La facultate m-am urcat intr-un simulator de impact la 35 km/h.
Crede-ma ca impactul a fost destul de puternic, ma dureau umerii din cauza centurilor. Asa ca nu prea ne putem da cu parerea daca traductorii trebuiau sa declanseze airbagurile sau nu.


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@luck33ro termini cu suferintele? Crezi ca la alte masini e altfel?


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QUOTE(eduardsebe @ 7 Jun 2009, 09:58)
Eu cand am avut masina lovita mai aveam 7 cm pana la senzor(din spusele mecanicului),daca mi se deforma caroseria pana acolo bubuiau air bag-urile.
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Foarte interesant...realizati oameni buni, ca acel mecanic si-a gasit o piesa pe undeva prin compatimentul motor pe care o numeste senzor... radmasa.gif geez

Nu stiu daca cei care isi dau aici cu parerea ca un airbag trebuie sa sara ca de asta il am acolo in volan (apropo @al3: airbag-ul pasager nu sare independent de cel de la sofer, doar impreuna) au vazut vreodata cum arata un dispozitiv, unde este amplasat si mai important principiul de functionare.

Si ar mai fi un aspect ce tine de amprenta personala a fiecarui producator. Din anumite discutii am inteles ca fiecare producator auto isi poate "alege" sensibilitatea acestor sisteme pe masinile proprii. Dupa unii, la grupul vag ar fi cele mai sensibile.


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post 7 Jun 2009, 21:12
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au gandit bine cei de la renault.. nimeni nu a fost ranit in accident, de ce sa sara airbagul?? astfel micsoreaza si costurile de reparatie biggrin.gif desi pe mine ma intereseaza sa iasa dauna totala unsure.gif

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