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post 5 Oct 2016, 16:53
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cei care au condus masina cu 4control, avand si amortizoare variabile, se simte diferenta de setari la suspensie ? in modul CONFORT este mai "moale" suspensia ? in lipsa lui 4control ma gandesc ca nu se pot seta moduri diferite pt suspensie, neavand amortizoare variabile


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post 5 Oct 2016, 17:27
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Intre confort si sport se simte clar diferenta, celelalte moduri le-am folosit mult prea putin ca sa imi dau seama


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post 5 Oct 2016, 17:43
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icsfails, care dintre optiunile suplimentare consideri ca merita adaugate la varianta Intens. De fapt sunt vreo patru pachete optionale. Din experienta de zi cu zi, care consideri ca isi merita banii ?


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post 5 Oct 2016, 18:04
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La un Intens: 4Control si Pack Securitate - pentru CC Adaptiv, eventual Bose, dar nu stiu cum suna sistemul default.
Din pacate daca vrei piele maro trebuie sa iei si pachetul cu head-up display, lumini automate si alerta depasire banda, iar parcarea automata e funny dar se poate trai si fara ea


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post 5 Oct 2016, 18:42
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Intense + Bose + Trapa

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post 5 Oct 2016, 19:00
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QUOTE
Dar tu cu ce il compari?

Cu superb, passat, mondeo, insignia, mazda6, 508? Pai Talisman nu e aproape nici de 3'ar, C, XE sau noul A4, dar sa urci mai sus la E/ 5'ar sau A8/ S/ 7..

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post 6 Oct 2016, 06:40
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Doar ca sa inteleg, ce argumente clare ai pentru afirmatia 'Pai Talisman nu e aproape nici de 3'ar, C, XE sau noul A4'? Ce nu are Talisman (sau ce au celelalte) astfel incat este o diferenta enorma intre ele?


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post 6 Oct 2016, 07:24
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In ordinea importantei? Imagine, gama de motoare, imagine, gama de dotari si nu in ultimul rand imagine biggrin.gif

Clasele de masini se impart in general in functie de dimensiuni si pe urma in fiecare categorie sa zicem ca exista segment nonpremium si premium.

Talisman face parte din clasa medie, segmentul non premium. S-a zis si mai sus ce concurenti are: superb, passat, mondeo, mazda 6 etc etc.

Din punctul meu de vedere, Talisman se pate bate chiar si premium in zona lui de pret, in sensul ca la 30k iei un Talisman superdotat, pe care l-as alege oricand in suma asta in fata oricarui model premium gen Seria 3, dar mai putin puternic, cu mai putine dotari si cu performante mai slabe.

Evident, cand ai bani sa urci spre 40-50k, nici nu mai putem vorbi de concurenta pentru ca Talisman nu prea mai are motorizari sa ajunga in zona aia.

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post 6 Oct 2016, 08:26
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3'ar... 5'ar...


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QUOTE(ssilviu @ 6 Oct 2016, 08:24)
Din punctul meu de vedere, Talisman se pate bate chiar si premium in zona lui de pret, in sensul ca la 30k iei un Talisman superdotat, pe care l-as alege oricand in suma asta in fata oricarui model premium gen Seria 3, dar mai putin puternic, cu mai putine dotari si cu performante mai slabe.

Evident, cand ai bani sa urci spre 40-50k, nici nu mai putem vorbi de concurenta pentru ca Talisman nu prea mai are motorizari sa ajunga in zona aia.
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Facem comparatia doar in zona de pret 30k euro. Sa vedem, cu aceeasi bani, 'cata' masina primesti de la fiecare (Talisman versus nemtesti premium).

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3'ar... 5'ar...
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Daca nu scria asa, nu cred ca l-as fi intrebat punctual despre diferentele care fac 'prapastia' dintre Talisman si cele germane premium.


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post 6 Oct 2016, 10:27
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Ce fac siglele din oameni


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post 6 Oct 2016, 11:34
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Oameni normali care compara normal

6 Oct 2016, 12:01:
Pentru == 2069 == ai intrebat mai sus cum se comporta suspensia reglabila si 4Control impreuna sau nu . Ai aici cam tot explicat si toate optiunile disponibile daca merita sau nu cumparate . In rest fiecare face ce vrea cu banii lui , stii cum se spune

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post 6 Oct 2016, 12:23
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[quote=stefandinescu70,6 Oct 2016, 11:34]Oameni normali care compara normal

<span class='edit'>6 Oct 2016, 12:01:</span>
Pentru ==  2069 ==  ai intrebat mai sus cum se comporta suspensia reglabila si 4Control impreuna sau nu  .  Ai aici cam tot explicat si toate optiunile disponibile daca merita sau nu cumparate . In rest fiecare face ce vrea cu banii lui , stii cum se spune
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as fi preferat feedback ul celor care conduc aceasta masina. Una scrie in brosura, alta se intampla in realitate. De exemplu, cand am facut drive test ul, nu am simtit acel efect 4control pe care toti cei de aici il mentioneaza. Probabil ca am condus cu viteza redusa ( prin parcarea de la Baneasa). Deasemenea , nu a functionat Start& Stop ul . Am fost impresionat totusi de parcarea cu spatele, era un unghi destul de strans, probabil ca aici 4control ul si-a spus cuvantul. tu ce optiuni ai in plus fata de echiparea Intens ?


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post 6 Oct 2016, 12:23
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Talismanul are suspensie autoadaptiva ... coboara si urca masina / intareste sau inmoaie suspensia in functie de drum sau viteza?

Sau este doar setare a amortizoarelor ... moi/dure .. fara a modifica garda fata de sol ?!?

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post 6 Oct 2016, 12:44
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Doar setarea amortizoarelor, garda la sol nu se modifica.


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post 6 Oct 2016, 12:51
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Taria amortizoarelor se modifica . Dar ca inaltime , nimic .

By the way , suspensia adaptiva de la Talisman ( si la BMW se pare la fel )

http://www.monroeintelligentsuspension.com...nse-technology/

si aici

http://www.car-engineer.com/renault-talism...ive-suspension/

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post 6 Oct 2016, 13:18
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ok, m-am lamurit cat de "reglabila" este ... oricum este un lucru bun si in plus fata de ce a fost pana acum.

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==ok, m-am lamurit cat de "reglabila" este ... oricum este un lucru bun si in plus fata de ce a fost pana acum==

sa nu zici nimic asemanator de 4Control , iti iei bipuri la greu pe aici radmasa.gif

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daca aici zice ,
http://www.monroeintelligentsuspension.com/products/cvsae/
ca tehnologia este folosita la Talisman si la Espace , atunci , la noul Megane 4 , Kadjar ..... , Multisense ce regleaza la suspensie ( taria la scaune pasager si sofer radmasa.gif ) sau foloseste altceva ??? sau nu ajusteaza suspensia ???

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post 6 Oct 2016, 14:00
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Nu ajusteaza suspensia la Megane...ala are amortizoare clasice. La fel si Kadjar


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post 6 Oct 2016, 14:05
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la megan/kadjar decat acceleratia, directia, lumina interioara si pt edc, schimbarile de viteza.


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post 6 Oct 2016, 14:06
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Nu stiam , TANTI de la dealer lauda pe la toate modele ca cica asa si pe dincolo cu Multi Sense , face si drege , credeam ca pe tot ce exista face cam acelasi lucru , bun de retinut,. MERCI


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post 6 Oct 2016, 14:09
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Multisense regleaza si amortizoarele doar daca masina are ...

ai ghicit, pachetul 4Control icon_mrgreen.gif

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post 6 Oct 2016, 14:44
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La Megane 4 / Kadjar poate sa aiba si 5Control , ca Multi Sense tot nu regleaza suspensia ( se pare asta din descrierea fabricantului de suspensii ) , iar la Talisman ( si Espace ) cu sau fara 4Control , suspensia activa este by default la Intense ( Multi Sense ) .


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post 6 Oct 2016, 14:47
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Kadjar nu are 4 control.


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Ok, sorry , nu m-a interesat subiectul si nu stiu care masini au sau nu 4Control de la Renault .


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post 6 Oct 2016, 15:03
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Dupa parerea mea cel mai bun raport cost-eficienta la Talisman este Zen dCI 130 standard+vopsea metalizata si atit. 25400 de euro. Mi se pare ca poti trai fara 4Control si alte adaptatiuni. Mi se pare in primul rind o masina pentru drum lung. fleur.gif


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Atunci cel mai bun raport cost-eficienta este: LIFE dCI 110 fara vopsea metalizata si atat. 21800 eur. E pentru drum lung, deci cine se grabeste? smile.gif


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Nici chiar asa... post-336-1110552459.gif tongue.gif


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Acum serios, aratati-mi mie masina cu adaptiva care sa coboare mai mult de 10mm, ori 1 cm e aproape nimic.
Talisman-ul e masina mare si grea, are nevoie de motorizari puternice. Cu 110 sau 130 de cai n-ajunge nicaieri, mai ales pe drumurile noastre unde numai in serenitate nu conduci.


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