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Turatie motor 1.4 8v vs. 1.4 16v, asemanari/deosebiri - turatii maxime

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Alonzo
post 28 May 2007, 00:09
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Am un renault 1.4, 16V, clio bicorp, 98CP.E normal ca la 80km/h in treapta 4 sa aiba 3000 rpm?Daca nu e normal e posibil problema sa fie de la bobinele de inductie?pls.cine stie sa-mi zica daca are vreo idee


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post 28 May 2007, 00:21
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Raportul turatie-viteza nu se poate schimba (decat in cazul unui disc de ambreiaj uzat)

Parerea mea e ca la 80 intr-a 4a 3000rpm e bine.


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post 28 May 2007, 07:56
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Din pacate eu am 8V deci nu prea stiu a zic daca este tocmai la fel sad.gif ... cineva cu 16V poate sa raspunda mai bine smile.gif


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post 28 May 2007, 12:56
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da , e corecta turatia pentru treapta a-4-a;intr-a 5-a la 100km/h -> 3000 ture

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post 28 May 2007, 16:28
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Da, si eu pot sa confirm...si 1.4 8v si 1.4 16v au aceeasi etajare a cutiei, in treapta a IV-a la 80 km/h - 3.000 rpm...in treapta a V-a la 100 km/h - 3.000 rpm.


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post 28 May 2007, 16:38
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si 1.4 8v si 1.4 16v au aceeasi etajare a cutiei
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post 28 May 2007, 19:47
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post 29 May 2007, 15:24
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Eu am Symbol 1,4 8V si azi am verificat si eu. La 3000 turatii in aIV-a am 8oKm/h.
Credeam ca 1,4 16V are alte rapoarte cutia de viteze...


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post 12 Nov 2007, 18:02
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As vrea sa stiu si eu daca cele doua modele au si aceleasi rapoarte ale cutiei de viteze?Am un prieten cu Symbol si se plange ca nu ii trage motorul ca la bicorp..amandoua avand aceleasi motorizari 14 16v si find cam din aceeasi perioada:2003


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post 14 Nov 2007, 17:01
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Da, au aceleasi rapoarte in cutia de viteze!


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post 14 Nov 2007, 19:06
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Daca s-a mai discutat imi cer scuze dar nu am gasit nimic pe aici.....am un clio symbol 1.4 8 valve.....care dintre voi stie cate turatii duce la maxim admis.....
intreb asta ptr ca in a 5-a la 3000 rpm am cam 110 parca.....numai atat duce masinuta asta ? la voi cum e cu rapoartele astea....si ce turatii maxime i-ati dat ?

ps: cu berlina duc 140 la 4000 rpm in a cincea....e mai rapida berlina? radmasa.gif

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post 14 Nov 2007, 19:17
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Vezi mai sus...la 3000 rpm in treapta a V-a ai fix 100 km/h. Ce nu inteleg eu...masinuta ta nu se tureaza mai mult de 3000 rpm??
Daca motorul e in temperatura normala de lucru, se poate tura pana in jur de 6200 rpm.


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post 14 Nov 2007, 19:56
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mersi de informatie...nu am citit manualul ei...ma gandeam si eu ca tre' sa sara de 3500 fara pb......


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post 14 Nov 2007, 22:48
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Si oricum mai mult de 5800 de ture nu ai cum sa atingi in sarcina in a 5-a, ai cam 180 si ceva.


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post 14 Nov 2007, 23:16
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6150-6200 daca insisti biggrin.gif


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post 15 Nov 2007, 18:14
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cum ma rog ai reusit ?. bine nu in treapta inferioara--- si pastrand setarile din fabrica...


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post 15 Nov 2007, 19:31
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well...A2, iti aduci cauciucurile in temperatura ( adica rulezi 10-15 km @5000 rpm), temp exterioara undeva intre 20-30C, fara vant puternic si urca pana la 6100-6200.
Benzina de 95 (si cu 100 se comporta similar la viteza aia), masinuta este 100% stock si are cam 38700km smile.gif
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post 15 Nov 2007, 21:09
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Se poate si 6500 de ture, fara nici o modificare, dar nu spun cum, sa nu-si distruga vreunul motorul.


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QUOTE(Laurentziu83 @ 15 Nov 2007, 22:09)
Se poate si 6500 de ture, fara nici o modificare, dar nu spun cum, sa nu-si distruga vreunul motorul.
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post 19 Nov 2007, 21:52
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am vazut ca fuge mai bine cu benz de 98....parca s-ar consuma mai repede...asa parca biggrin.gif


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salutare,
la mine cred ca e o problema si nu prea imi dau seama care ar fi buba. la 3000/rot in viteza a 5-a eu am 80-85 km la ora.......poate ma ajuta si pe mine cineva care a mai avut problema asta....clio symbol 2001 dinamique 1.4 8 v


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post 23 May 2013, 19:32
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Inseamna ca iti patineaza ambreiajul sau nu indica ceasurile bine.

Ca sa excluzi ambreiajul, fa un test simplu: in treapta a III-a, de pe la 30-40 km/h calca acceleratia la podea- daca turatia creste repede, dar fara ca si viteza sa urce, e dus ambreiajul.


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post 23 May 2013, 19:58
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la mine in viteza a-5-a la 3000 rpm am 98 km/h.


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La patinarea ambreiajului m-am gabdit si eu...adica apesi, apesi acceleratia, motorul creste in turatii, dar masina nu accelereaza decat greu de tot.
Daca e asa, se schimba tot kit-ul de ambreiaj.


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post 24 May 2013, 11:59
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cred ca mai mult are cu vechimea 12 ani.... pai nu cred ca nici o masina cu asa vechime nu mai este in parametii max.


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post 24 May 2013, 23:31
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wolfin, ce legatura are vechimea cu rapoartele cutiei de viteze?

Daca la o anumita turatie nu ai viteza corespunzatoare, ori patineaza ambreiajul ori turometrul sau vitezometrul sunt defecte, dar pariez pe prima varianta.


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Corect, + daca e ambreiajul ar trebui sa se simta mirosul specific.
Daca nu simti in turatia motorului "caderea" la plecarea de pe loc in a 3-a e clar.


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post 25 May 2013, 13:55
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buna ziua

dragi colegi, pai cu ce am exclus ambreajul?
tot ce am spus ca la o masina veche pot fi multe variabile motor, cv, anvelope etc etc.
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o diferenta de ~ 10 km\h poate fi daqta foarte bine si de conditiile de trafic, vant, cateva grade panta (insesizabile dar...) benzina etc etc.

depate dorinta mea de a face o polemica si off topic, deci ma opresc aici cool.gif

syrtybyca incearca sa mergi la aspiratie sigur ajungi la 3000rpm si 100km\h

la masinile cu cv hidramate ce patineaza? wink.gif

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post 25 May 2013, 19:09
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wolfin, daca ambreiajul nu patineaza intelege ca nu ai ce sa schimbi in raportul viteza/turatie- e dependent de cutia de viteze. Poti sa tractezi masina, sau sa-i dai drumul la vale cu motorul oprit, dar daca e bagata in viteza tot 3000 ture arata la 100km/h in treapta a V-a.


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