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De ce refuza cu atata indarjire sa porneasca ???

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post 1 Mar 2005, 17:18
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Am mai postat eu p`aici...asta vara...si am ajuns sa schimb bateria si sa rezolv cat de cat problema.
Acum, s`a facut iarna, a dat putina zapada, iar nu mai vrea janghina mea sa porneasca. I'am pus un animal de baterie cu care taikmiu (pe masina lui) porneste un V6 de 3l cu cutie automata (74Ah)
Cand am luat bateria, am zis sa nu ma zgarcesc, sa nu ma lase in drum vreodata, si am luat o Varta Blue de 74(cum am zis si mai sus) care a fost vreo 3.5 mil. Si...m`a tinut doar 6 luni? E imposibil, nu a fost chinuita, nu a fost terminata, m avut cum se poate mai bine grija de ea.
Acum de ce nu poate sa porneasca masina ?(Mentionez ca masina ie un 19 cu 16v - F7P)
Mentiunea #2 e ca ultima oara, asta vara, cand m`a suparat cu pornirea, am presupus ca e de la electromotor, in consecinta am schimbat la el totul mai putin carcasa (bucsi, rotor, carbuni...)
Sa`mi dea careva o idee ca innebunesc !
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post 1 Mar 2005, 17:30
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incearca sa verifici:
1.alternatorul incarca normal.(nici mai mult nici mai putin )14,4V
2.verifica firul de la masa
3.cu siguranta ai un scurt (daca pct 1 si 2 este ok) tot timpul sau numai atunci cand conectezi anumiti consumatori.
Sfat: incearca sa mergi (dupa ce o pornesti...) cu cat mai putini consumatori activati,si poate o sa ai norocul sa afli.Gandeste-te unde ai umblat ultima oara la instalatia electrica.
4.Verifica daca cu motorul oprit si fara contact pus dupa 30 min bateria se incalzeste.BAfta!!!!!!!!!!!!


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post 1 Mar 2005, 18:09
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1.nu prea incarca el 14.4...ceva mai putin, 13.6, 13.7..., da` la inceput de ce a mers ?
2. firul la masa al cui ? al demarorului? that`s gonna be FUN ! biggrin.gif ie la mama dreaq smile.gif da` iau in considerare!
3.in stand by nu are nici un consumator, am dus-o la ala care mi`a vandut bateria si a pus ala scula pe ea smile.gif) si 0.00A... mie mi`a aratat 0.02, dar am zis ca scula lui era mai performanta decat a mea.
4.o sa fac asta, da` zi`mi si mie de ce, ca p`asta n`am mai auzit`o

merci mult pt promptitudine si pt sfaturi!


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post 2 Mar 2005, 09:50
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ESTE POSIBIL CA BATERIA SA AIBA UN SCURT IN EA.uNA din placile izolatoare din interiorul unui element sa se fi deteriorat.este doar o alta presupunere .daca ar fi asa atunci cand o masori ea indica ok dar in sarcina este altceva.iar firul de la masa se refera minusul care pleaca de la baterie la "fierul" din caroserie


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post 2 Mar 2005, 12:05
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Am masurat in urmatoatoarele situatii:
Imediat dupa ce am pornit'o (cu cabluri): 14.4V
Dupa ce m`am plimbat 2 ore cu ea, m`am gandit sa imi trag multimetrul in masina sa vad ce face si in mers si am vazut:
La 1000rpm 13.69V
Cu pozitii 13.62
Cu electroventilatorul pt racire 12.40
CU pozitii, faza scurta, faza lunga, proiectoare, dezaburirea electrica, ventilatorul din habitaclu la maxim si tot ce m`am gandit ca consuma 11.40
Iar imediat dupa ce am oprit motorul: 12.20
Toate astea se intamplau la ora 2AM. M`am mai dus la ea la 4AM si scazuse la 11.50...
Am mai testat'o o data de consumatori. AM in continuare 0.02A...
Sa fie aia 0.02A care sug bateria peste noapte? Si daca da, de ce nu s`a intamplat la fel si pana acum, ca 0.02u` ala l`am observat prima oara acu` vreo 2 sapt.
Alta kestie: in timp ce ma plimbam cu ea, opresc motorul, opresc toti consumatorii, nu poate sa faca NIMIC...nici nu se kinuie sa invarta, pur si simplu se sting toate becurile de la bord si ea nu face nimic (exact ca si cand nu ar avea baterie deloc!)
Din nefericire nu m`a dus capu` sa fac kestia asta si dupa ce am tras multimetrul in masina...
Si mai surprinzator, dupa ce am terminat de facut toate masuratorile alea, am strans tot, sa plec in casa ca era un cancer mai rau ca`n Siberia smile.gif i am zis sa vad daca acu` pleaca. Si a plecat excelent!
Mai are putin si o paste autovitu`...sau un stalp la viteza mare incat sa stric motoru` suficient sa mi'l schimbe casco smile.gif)
Merci mult de ajutor...

(Vineri ma duc la ala care mi`a dat bateria sa o ... caute)


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post 2 Mar 2005, 12:29
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BORNELE le'ai verificat?


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post 2 Mar 2005, 14:08
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uhmm...ce sa verific la ele ?
Coxate nu's...nici jegoase...


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post 2 Mar 2005, 15:03
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dar STRANSE?? :wink:


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post 2 Mar 2005, 15:40
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N'am ce strange la ele...pe bornele standard ale bateriei se pun 2 cilindri cu cate un surub in cap (imbraca borna) si pe surubul respectiv se pun bornele masinii care au papuci ca cei de impamantare (rotunzi) dupa care se strang cu o piulita fluture.


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post 2 Mar 2005, 15:43
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ok. am intzeles ideea! biggrin.gif eu am aruncat acel tip de borne in secunda 2 dupa ce am luat mashina!
cumpara de la orice magazin dacia doua borne seriose care au inaltzimea cat borna bateriei shi au carne pe ele, nu sunt subtziri.. sa le strangi bine shi sa imi spui daca mai face.. :wink:


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post 2 Mar 2005, 15:46
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Mi'e cam mila sa mutilez io totu` p`acolo...da` probabil ca o sa ajung sa fac si asta...
Adica va trebui sa scot toti papucii aia astvel incat sa`mi ramana suficient cablu sa prinb in bornele celelalte...
Desi daca stau sa ma gandesc mai bine, rau nu ii pote face, suprafata de contact va fi mai mare...I'll do it biggrin.gif
Imediat ce ma indur sa ies din casa smile.gif


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post 2 Mar 2005, 15:48
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trust me.. eu nu intzelegeam de ce pe fire aveam 14,45V iar pe borne (sub clemele alea) aveam cand 12,5 cand 13,2... contacte imperfecte shi nici nu ai nici o certitudine la ce se afla SUB acele cleme..


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post 2 Mar 2005, 15:49
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yeah...o sa fac asta.
(P.S. ce de cai are 18le tau smile.gif misto! din ce motor?)


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post 2 Mar 2005, 15:50
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1565cmc, inj multipunct, turbo benzina.
my precious! 8)


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post 2 Mar 2005, 15:52
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wow smile.gif din 1.6 atata gramada de cai ? misto smile.gif
sa`l porti sanatos smile.gif


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post 2 Mar 2005, 15:56
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pai al tau nu are 139cai? :roll:


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post 2 Mar 2005, 16:10
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ba da, dar din 1.8l smile.gif


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post 2 Mar 2005, 16:17
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pai da, dar al tau e atmosferic.. a mea fara turbo are pe la 70 shi ceva de cai..


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post 2 Mar 2005, 16:19
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dap...
ce interesant ar fi si al meu cu turbo... biggrin.gif
eventual cu un motor de clio willy... smile.gif)
eh vise...io nu reusesc sa`l fac nici macar p`asta sa mearga ca lumea smile.gif)


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post 2 Mar 2005, 18:55
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mda...am coborat acu` si am masurat bateria, 11.70V...a plecat fara sa dea in nas, fara sa dea semne de baterie descarcata. Ba dimpotriva! Ea nu prea porneste ca lumea la frig. Am dat cateva secunde, n`a pornit, si i`am dat si a doua keie, la care a pornit perfect. Deci ce 11.70V au fost mai mult decat suficienti pentru a porni.
Goin' crazy over here...


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post 2 Mar 2005, 20:46
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ok..
deci:
1. verifica cablurile de la baterie la shasiu (masa) shi plusul.
2. verifica mufe.. (s'ar putea ca firul de demaror de la contactul din bord sa fie intrerupt pe undeva - printr'o mufa, de ex - in drumul lui spre demaror.) eu am patzit asta, nu am scos'o la capat shi am dublat firul cu un fir de 2,5mm intre contact shi demaror. de 5 ani nu mai am probleme.
3. demarorul in sine. dar daca tu zici ca l'ai desfacut, inlocuit, alea-alea..

oricum, renourile au fost renumite ptr probleme electrice.. un papuc care nu mai face contact shi gata, s'a rupt filmul..


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post 2 Mar 2005, 21:10
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Am sa schimb bornele vineri cand ma duc acasa, si am sa vad cum pot sa dublez firul. E o idee excelenta! Tre` sa ma uit pe carte sa vaz care ie si cum il dublez. (Rezistenta marita - 2 cabluri - n`o sa supere pe nimeni ?)
Merci inca o data pt ajutor!


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post 2 Mar 2005, 21:15
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smile.gif
la catzi amperi trec pe acolo crezi ca mai conteaza?? oricum, la mine nu mai pornea deloc, am fost nevoit.. :?


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post 2 Mar 2005, 21:17
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true... true...
distractie: io tre` sa dau jos planetara ca sa ajung la jegu` ala de demaror...smile.gif
cred ca aia va fi ultima solutie...


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post 2 Mar 2005, 21:34
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eshti SIGUR ca doar asha potzi sa umbli la el?


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post 2 Mar 2005, 22:40
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dap...
doi mecanici diferiti l'au dat la fel jos, injurand de toti dumnezeii ca tre` sa dea jos planaetara sa ajunga la electromotor...
o sa citesc si in carte sa vad daca da alta modalitate...desi ma'ndoi.
eectromotorul e intre galeria de evacuare si punte...parca. si n`ai acces l el decat din alteral, pe unde trece planetara...


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post 3 Mar 2005, 15:14
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biggrin.gif nu trebuie data jos planetara in nici un caz,ci doar rotit electromotorul si iese pe la planetara dreapta pe deasupr abasculei dupa ce in prealabil ai rotit stanga de volan.E TARE ASTA CU PLANETARA!!!!!!!!!!!!


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post 3 Mar 2005, 15:16
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1. nu am fost exact: trebuie data jos planetara doar din motor, nu data jos de tot.
2. ce te face pe tine sa fii asa sigur ?


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Update... Azi la ora 8 am plecat cu masina, a pornit foarte frumos, fara sa dea in nas, toate bune si frumoase. M'am dus pana la pretena sa`i dau ceva, si m`am intors acasa. Drum de vreo 10km. O parkez, dau sa o mai pornesc o data, de curiozitate... CLANK...si atat...
:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:


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post 4 Mar 2005, 10:31
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define "CLANK"! a mai apucat sa faca clank shi s'au stins beccele in bord?
sau doar clank shi atat, dar becurile on?
vba lui raducu, mai detaliat, asha, dar partea tehnica..lasa prietena.. pe ea o repari tu (shi numai tu..)..


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