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post 27 Nov 2006, 12:08
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AND: eu cred ca ssssssssilviu a vrut sa spuna ca am blocat volanul...
Nu era in intentia mea sa te ofensez, insa mie chiar nu imi fugea volanul stanga-dreapta. Poatesuna ciudat, poate nu fac eu ceva bine, poate crezi ca imi place sa te contrez aiurea, insa, asa cum am spus si dincolo: am demarat 0-100 (t1-2-3) schimband optim, fara sa tin mainile pe volan si nu mi-a jucat botul deloc.

E adevarat, masina mea are Cmax=192Nm, insa nu m-as fi asteptat sa nu stii ca motorul 2.0 16v aspirat de pe M2 are maxim 192Nm. Mai mult, ar fi trebuit sa stii ca nici un motor de 2L aspirat , de pe masini normale (nu preparate, gen Clio sport, civic R, etc...) nu dezvolta mai mult de 200-205 Nm.


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post 27 Nov 2006, 12:26
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Nu e vorba ca n-am stiut, ci de faptul ca pana si un Astra 1.8 140cp joaca putin la demaraj puternic dar bineinteles cu un sasiu mai nereusit decat al Megane-ului. Chiar si 1.8 125cp iti da putin torque steer. Iar un 1.9 dCi, daca incerci cu adevarat un demaraj brutal (are 300Nm), joaca de nu-ti vine sa crezi...cu toate ca nu e foarte usor s-o iei din loc cu un diesel la fel de brusc ca si cu un benzinar. Mi-am permis sa presupun ca si 2.0 ar trebui sa aibe un comportament asemanator oarecum unei Astra 1.8 - tinand cont ca e vorba de doua sasiuri care nu tin bine o masina cu tractiune fata.

Poate intradevar 190Nm nu sunt suficienti pentru torque steer (nu exista o traducere termen pe termen in dictionarul nostru auto), insa daca vrei sa incerci faza cu certitudine, fa-o intr-un RS. Iti garantez ca e asa cum spun eu. smile.gif

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post 27 Nov 2006, 12:35
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RS n-are pic de torqe steer wink.gif

mai exista varianta sumbra ca sasiul de M2 sa fie chiar bunicel sub 250Nm...
In alta ordine de idei, si o masina de F1 are putin torque steer la un demaraj agresiv, insa ma indoiesc de faptul ca acele sasiuri sunt proaste...


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post 27 Nov 2006, 12:38
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and.. cumva lucrezi in domeniu, testezi masini si tot asa? ca prea te dai cunoscator..


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post 27 Nov 2006, 12:45
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NU, nu lucrez in domeniu!

@sandman: ....te inseli. Cu respect



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QUOTE(AND @ 27 Nov 2006, 12:45)
NU, nu lucrez in domeniu!
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Si totusi sunt foarte convins ca ai declarat contrariul pe undeva pe aici pe forum..


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post 27 Nov 2006, 12:48
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Nope n-am declarat niciodata nimic.


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post 27 Nov 2006, 12:49
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Eu nu cred treaba asta cu ''jucatul'' volanului in mana . Poate pe la vreo vechitura sau vreo dacie sa-ti joace stanga dreapta volanul la demaraj violent. Astea noi nu au voie ,oricat de puternic ar fi demarajul. Vreau sa spun ca la un passat diesel,care are cuplu mult mai mare decat una pe benzina de aceeasi categorie,nu joaca volanul oricat l-as demara.


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post 27 Nov 2006, 12:51
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Nope n-am declarat niciodata nimic.
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Poate ar trebui sa respectati parerea cuiva care lucreaza in domeniu.

Ia zii, ce culoare are cioara vopsita?

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post 27 Nov 2006, 12:54
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Offf, ma retrag.

Game Over

Thx silviu wink.gif

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de parca ar fi ceva aiurea sa lucrezi la o revista auto...


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post 27 Nov 2006, 12:56
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poate prietenul AND se referea la parerea ta, sssssilviu....

QUOTE(AND @ 27 Nov 2006, 11:45)
@sandman: ....te inseli. Cu respect


Macar bine ca ne respectam reciproc, pentru ca ceasi parere in cazul de fata, slabe sanse sa avem biggrin.gif


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post 27 Nov 2006, 14:03
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sadman,este ''solid'' M2CC la viteze mai mari ? Adica sa nu trepideze ... sa fii sigur pe el . Stii la ce ma refer.
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post 27 Nov 2006, 14:09
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in caz ca e o intrebare, da, este. Atunci cand e coupe. cand e cabrio, e putin mai moale.


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post 28 Nov 2006, 16:33
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sadman_, iti pare rau ca ai ales motorizarea pe benzina?
Si ce parere ai despre diesel-ul de pe CC?


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post 28 Nov 2006, 16:57
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asa cum am scris mai sus, initial alesesem 1.6 16v, care prima din motive financiare intr-o "disputa" cu 1.9 dci. pana la urma m-am ales cu 2.0 16v din motive de Renault Franta. Nu imi pare deloc rau biggrin.gif

motorul 1.9 dCi il stiu de la Laguna din semnatura; nu recomand nici cumpararea, nici achizitionarea acestei motorizari pentru CC...


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post 28 Nov 2006, 17:08
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Sa fiu sincer,initial ma gandeam numai la 2.0 16 valve,dar acum sunt 100% pentru dCi pentru viitorul meu M2 CC. smile.gif


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post 28 Nov 2006, 18:29
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ne soui si noua de ce esti 100% dCi?


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Sunt pentru dCi din mai multe motive:cuplu mare , diesel-ul in general are o sectiune pe turometru de obicei intre 2500 3500 rpm , cand intra si turbo,cand simti ca te baga in perna,ceea ce la una pe benzina nu cred ca vezi , poate la motoarele foarte mari. De obicei benzina trage constant. Eu vorbesc de motoarele acestea pana-n 2000cc. Un alt motiv ar fi consumul . Si ma mai gandesc si la altele smile.gif

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post 28 Nov 2006, 20:37
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cu cuplul te joci din turatie, dar da, e clar ca un turbo are cupluri peste un aspirat, oricand si oricum, dar fetele le poti impresiona si cu un benzinar, daca stii sa mergi.

in ceea ce priveste consumul, ai foarte mare dreptate pe termen lung, insa pe termen scurt, discutia e alta...
Eu am trecut de pe diesel pe benzina, de la 6€/100km in Viena, la 12-13€/100km si tot nu-mi pare rau wink.gif

despre sunetul unul otto nu cred ca are sens sa vb... biggrin.gif


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Sunt sigur ca sunetul e mai placut la cel pe benzina,dar sa fiu sincer nici diesel-ul nu-mi displace. Dar tot cel pe benzina,ca sunet,imi place mai mult.

Toba finala la M2CC e tot cam ca la Clio? Poti sa-i scoti niste iesiri mari? Am vazut ca nu se vede,este mascata de bara.


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uita-te DIN NOU pe reichhard-motorsport.de si vei vedea cum se scot tobele...
sper ca nu vrei diesel la care sa-i pui 2x2 guri de evacuare...


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post 29 Nov 2006, 14:09
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sincer sa fiu,da! smile.gif


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mult succes


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Mersi!Si pentru site.Dar preturile mi se par cam maricele . smile.gif Se pot comanda produse sa ti le-aduca in ro ?


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cam maricele? du-te in vitan si ti le fac baietii la jumatate de pret...


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QUOTE(alexava @ 22 Nov 2006, 18:33)
Mie Astra mi se pare oribila, dar gusturile nu se discuta. Eos e mai stilata asa...  Chiar azi ma uitam la un Astra cum parca si sincer, nu mi-as lua niciodata asa o masina. 307cc, M2CC si Eos sunt de 10000 de ori mai frumoaste decat Astra, dupa umila mea parere bineinteles.
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Tin sa mentionez ca imi retrag afirmatiile din post-ul de mai sus. Acel "Astra" la care m-am "uitat" in cazul mentionat mai sus era defapt un Corsa CC si mi-e rusine sa recunosc ca le-am confundat.

Astra CC e o masina reusita ca design. Inca sunt de parere ca Eos-ul e mult mai frumos, dar incerc sa-mi repar greseala.

Stiu ca e offtopic, dar aici am discutat, etc..


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Tot M2CC e number one! wink.gif

Am vazut de curand , ca dotare optionala pentru M2CC,pe langa alte optionale si preechipare telefon.
In ce consta exact? Puneti cateva poze , va rog . Multumesc!


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adica ai tot cablajul intre linia audio, boxe si un loc in bord, unde poti monta un docking station pentru telefonul mobil.


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Mersi,sadman_.Ma miram ce este cu tine de nu raspunzi la aceasta intrebare,pentru ca tu esti cel mai documentat in legatura cu M2CC. smile.gif
Daca ai putea pune si o poza ar fii perfect. Merita ales ca optional?


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