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ESP la Megane II

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post 10 Sep 2004, 13:05
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Deci baieti casa intelegeti mai bine ASR esteatunci cind pleci de pe loc sa nu patineze roata (sau nu neaparat la plecare) si este in foarte mare legatura cu ABS
Iar ESP il cuprinde si pe ASR adicaiti ajuta sa nu patinezi si te ajuta sa nu derapezi care tot asa e in foarte mare legatura cu ABS. Adica ce face mai precis ESP detecteaza deraparea si da comanda ABS sa frineze cit trebuie dintr-o roata sau mai multe.


In concluzie ca sa poti sa ai ASR, ESP, EBD trebuie sa ai ABS


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post 10 Sep 2004, 13:57
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Corect. Si toate la un loc (in afara de ABS) sint inferioare unui diferential autoblocabil. Il inlocuiesc, dar nu cu acelasi randament.

Sistemele astea electronice frineaza roata fara aderenta si iti taie alimentarea cu benzina pentru a micsora cuplul (ma rog, fac mai mult de-atit, dar asta e baza, de aici pornesc toate), pe cind diferentialul autoblocabil transfera tot cuplul la roata cu aderenta. Doar ca e mai scump. sad.gif

Intr-adevar, controlul tractiunii se bazeaza pe senzorii de ABS si se foloseste tot de ABS pentru a frina roata fara aderenta.

E foarte nasol sa nu ai buton de dezactivare, pentru ca sint situatii in care in zapada cu controlul tractiunii nu mai poti pleca de pe loc, pe cind fara el poti. Am fost chiar eu intr-o asemenea situatie (dar la mine se poate dezactiva, he he he smile.gif )


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post 10 Sep 2004, 14:23
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Sa inteleg ca Megane2 nu are buton de dezactivare pt ESP? Eu mi-am comandat optiunea, dar abia dupa aceea mi-am pus si intrebarea asta.

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post 10 Sep 2004, 16:18
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are buton de dezactivare.
cel putin io am.


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post 20 Sep 2004, 08:23
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controlul tractiunii este cu totul alta branza, dar nu am vazut asha ceva la reno..


Sa stii ca ESP = ABS (care este la baza), EBD, EDL si ASR. Pe toate acestea se bazaeaza acest sistem ESP si nici unul nu poate lipsi.


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post 20 Sep 2004, 14:15
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ai dreptate!
ce a zis zuxy dupa mine a zis super ok.
m'am mai interesat shi io shi asha este! smile.gif

(nu shtiu ce inseamna EDL..)


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post 22 Sep 2004, 11:26
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la mine functioneaza esp-ul si i-am simtit utilitatea in mai multe cazuri. Nu cred ca o sa imi mai iau masina fara esp... corecteaza traictoria incredibil atunci cand e vorba de derapaje... foarte util


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post 22 Sep 2004, 17:25
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"The electronic differential lock (EDL) permits smooth, comfortable starts on road surfaces that do not have a uniform coefficient of friction. If a wheel starts to spin, EDL brakes it as necessary so that power is transmitted to the wheel with the better traction. EDL reduces tire wear and works up to about. 40 km/h. EDL is part of the electronic stabilization program (ESP) and the traction control (ASR) ."

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post 22 Sep 2004, 20:33
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BETON!!!
megane2 are EDL????


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post 23 Sep 2004, 08:11
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DA, dar numai cu ESP.

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post 23 Sep 2004, 09:08
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Sa stii ca ESP = ABS (care este la baza), EBD, EDL si ASR. Pe toate acestea se bazaeaza acest sistem ESP si nici unul nu poate lipsi.


nu ar strica sa avem un mic dictionar cu ce inseamna fiecare si eventual o descriere sumara, plus cateva observatii/sfaturi practice.
poate cineva sa faca o astfel de sinteza cu toate acestea?
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post 4 Oct 2004, 12:46
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Eu mi-am luat Meganu Comfort Expression cu optiunea ESP. Si eu stiam ca este foarte util, dar pana acum nu i-am simtit prezenta. De aceea ma incearca un sentiment de parere de rau ca nu am pus in loc de esp pachetul privilege. :? Ce ziceti?


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post 4 Oct 2004, 13:08
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Desi nu am condus o masina echipata cu ESP, eu cred ca nu trebuie sa-ti para rau ca ai luat-o asa. Este un sistem modern de corectare a traiectoriei masinii. Asta am inteles ca este f folositor la viraje abordate cu viteza mai mare, sau in conditii de carosabil dificil. Nu uita ca: ESP=ABS+EDL+EBD+ASR. Fiecare luat in parte este cool.

Asa ca, parerea mea este ca sa nu-ti para rau. Eu cand va fi sa-mi schimb masina (asta peste 1-1,5 ani) si daca raman hotarat pe MII - il cumpar cu ESP, nici nu stau pe ganduri !


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post 4 Oct 2004, 13:19
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...nu ar strica sa avem un mic dictionar cu ce inseamna fiecare si eventual o descriere sumara, plus cateva observatii/sfaturi practice.
poate cineva sa faca o astfel de sinteza cu toate acestea?
tx


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The anti-lock braking system (ABS) prevents the wheels from locking up during braking. Even under strong braking, the car remains steerable and controllable. This can help the driver avoid an obstacle without having to release the brakes first. When ABS is activated, the driver will notice a slight pulsation of the brake pedal. The anti-lock brake system is optimised with electronic brake-force distribution (EBD).
A note on ABS: when driving on certain surfaces like gravel or snow on a hard road surface, ABS may result in longer stopping distances.
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Electronic brake-force distribution (EBD) and the anti-lock braking system (ABS), constitute one unit inasmuch as they share a number of the same parts. EBD ensures maximum braking performance at the front and rear wheels and under normal conditions it prevents the rear-end from braking away because of over-braking. The system counteracts “fading” as a result of overheating.
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The electronic differential lock (EDL) permits smooth, comfortable starts on road surfaces that do not have a uniform coefficient of friction. If a wheel starts to spin, EDL brakes it as necessary so that power is transmitted to the wheel with the better traction. EDL reduces tire wear and works up to about. 40 km/h (quattro® : up to about 80 km/h). EDL is part of the electronic stabilization program (ESP) and the traction control (ASR) .
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The electronic stabilisation program (ESP) makes the vehicle easier to control in handling situations close to the limit It reduces the danger of swerving and thus improves directional stability. ESP identifies the car's intended direction and response. It applies the brakes on individual wheels, thereby generating one-sided forces that help to keep the car moving in the desired direction. The program uses the anti-lock braking system (ABS), electronic brake-force distribution (EBD), the electronic differential lock (EDL) and the traction control (ASR) system, and is permanently active.

The latest version, ESP 8.0, which has been introduced for the first time in the new Audi A6, also offers a dry brake function: in adverse weather conditions, the system wipes water off the brake discs at regular intervals by applying the brake pads. This process goes unnoticed by the driver and reduces the stopping distance in wet weather compared with conventional brake systems.

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ESP cannot override a car's physical limits. If a driver pushes the possibilities of the car's chassis and ESP too far, ESP cannot prevent an accident.
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For today’s typical high-torque engines, a form of wheelslip regulation or traction control (ASR) can increase both comfort and safety, particularly on surfaces with differing coefficients of friction or on slippery roads. It makes smooth starts and acceleration possible through all speed ranges without wheel-spin or fishtailing.
ASR only operates in conjunction with the electronic accelerator (E gas) and uses components of the anti-lock braking system (ABS). If one wheel suddenly begins to rotate faster than the others (slip), ASR intervenes in the engine management system and reduces power until the wheel stops spinning.
ASR improves traction and can help the driver maintain control even if the limit of adhesion is inadvertently reached while cornering. In addition, it reduces tire wear. ASR activation, is indicated by a flashing light in the instrument cluster; it works with the electronic differential lock (EDL) and it is also part of the electronic stabilization program (ESP). ASR can be deactivated with the ESP switch.
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Daca ar cineva chef poate sa traduca astea.
Sursa: http://www.audi.com/jsp/crossfeatures/lexi...=1&languageId=4


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post 10 Jan 2005, 14:03
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Azi dimineta am reusit sa "testez" ESP-ul; cu toate ca aveam viteza mica, in jur de 40 km/h, am tras mai tare de volan intr-o curba la 90 grade pe piatra cubica umeda, moment in care am simtit cum spatele masinii tindea sa iasa de pe traiectorie, si martorul din borb al ESP-ului semnalizand corectia. Pacanitul ABS-lui la franare nu l-am auzit, dar am simtit ca mi-a redus gazul, deabea dupa ce am iesit din curba masina a inceput sa reaccelereze.


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post 10 Jan 2005, 15:02
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ESP ul ajuta dar nu te scoate chiar asa din belea . NU EXAGERATI !!!


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post 10 Jan 2005, 16:08
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ESP-ul este dupa mine intruchiparea zicalei : "Dumnezeu iti da, da nu-ti baga-n traista !"


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post 10 Jan 2005, 16:16
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laugh.gif laugh.gif corect roadrunner!!! ai pus punctul pe "i". E prefecta definitia ta la adresa esp-ului.


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post 10 Jan 2005, 16:20
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prefecta ... daaaaaa laugh.gif


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post 10 Jan 2005, 16:23
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Thank you ... thank you !!! I'm the best !!!
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post 11 Jan 2005, 19:12
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ESP ul ajuta dar nu te scoate chiar asa din belea . NU EXAGERATI !!!

Nu exageram biggrin.gif !!! ci doar am vrut sa testez biggrin.gif
Oricum senzatia e misto


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post 11 Jan 2005, 20:10
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este misto senzatia si chiar m-a convins sa nu mai iau masina fara esp.


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post 12 Jan 2005, 09:31
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Visul meu este sa am o masina cu tractiune integrala si trei diferentiale autoblocabile Torsen. Nici mama tuturor ESP-urilor nu se compara cu aia.
Din pacate insa nu prea se gaseste asa ceva, iar alea putine care exista costa de te usuca. sad.gif


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