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Invazia Rusiei asupra....

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post 4 Mar 2022, 10:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8_Uvj6LheI tristuta asta zice ca obuzele ucrainiene l-au stricat...


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post 4 Mar 2022, 10:19
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Ai dracu ucrainenii astia. Isi dau singuri in avion, isi dau singuri in blocuri, isi omoara singuri militarii....cel mai frapant este ca sunt rusi care chiar cred asta..... wacko.gif unsure.gif

Uat za fac!

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post 4 Mar 2022, 12:11
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https://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-razboi_ucraina...lul-rusilor.htm

Luptele in mediu urban aduc pierderi mari celui care ataca .. dar mama rusia are carne de tun ...

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post 4 Mar 2022, 12:57
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D-aia nici nu baga tancuri in orase ca altfel o sa aiba de-a face cu Sfânta Javelina. Eu ma intreb ce exit strategy mai are Putin din Ucraina? Cum scoate camasa?


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post 4 Mar 2022, 13:34
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Cu 1-10 Ktone??


QUOTE(Macione @ 4 Mar 2022, 08:30)
Alti doritori de EU...
https://pledgetimes.com/moldova-refused-to-...against-russia/
Neamurile noastre di pisti Prut...
Dupa exprimarea, operatiune speciala, ala nu e un site moldovenesc.
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Daca nici astia nu-s credibili :
https://www.mediafax.ro/externe/republica-m...xterne-20567113

Incercati:
https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&cl...sanctiuni+rusia

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post 4 Mar 2022, 13:47
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https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/aproape-1-500-d...ucraina-1859865

oare cati din astia sunt in "business trip" smile.gif


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post 4 Mar 2022, 14:34
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O analiza impartiala asupra razboiului


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post 4 Mar 2022, 16:43
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QUOTE(cj98czh @ 4 Mar 2022, 13:47)
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oare cati din astia sunt in "business trip" smile.gif
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In afara de cei in business trip, mai sunt si unii care au inteles ca dictatura a ajuns in momentul in care-si dezvaluie cele mai urate forme si ca e momentul sa o stergi din Rusia. Sunt filmari cu rusi care pleaca din St. Petersburg catre Finlanda, ca sa scape de Putinica.

Duma, la indicatiile celui mai iubit fiu, tocmai a votat 15 ani de inchisoare pentru distribuirea de "stiri false". Cum televiziuni libere nu mai sunt, banuiesti si tu ca vizati sunt indivizii.
Indraznesti sa mai spui ca nu sunt nazisti in Ucraina ? 15 ani.


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post 4 Mar 2022, 16:48
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Prin decembrie `89 am avut o avalansa de cetateni straini in "interes de serviciu".
Sa speram ca astia isi vad de drum...


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post 4 Mar 2022, 16:58
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https://www.gandul.ro/stiri/tiraspolul-a-ce...striei-19758991

4 Mar 2022, 16:59:
Era de asteptat.

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post 4 Mar 2022, 18:21
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QUOTE
https://www.gandul.ro/stiri/tiraspolul-a-ce...striei-19758991


Asteptati-va sa ceara in curand si "protectia" liderului suprem pentru cetatenii rusi din regiune. (Nici Georgia nu se simte prea bine - parca a zis saptamana asta ca vrea in UE...)

Vad ca unii tot condamna pe-aici lipsa de sanctiuini din partea Basarabiei. De ce credeti ca stau in banca lor? Cu armata si logistica lor rezista intre 12 si 24 de ore unei "operatiuni speciale". Si s-au lamurit si ce poate face vestul pentru ei.
Degeaba a venit Blinken in "turneu" in regiune (aud ca va urma si VP-US Harris) - il doare pe Putin fix in buncar; omul e bolnav. Locul in istorie se pare ca si l-a asigurat deja.
Cred ca incepe sa vada ca pierde atat de mult (economic, politic, militar, popularitate locala etc.), incat mai devreme sau mai tarziu va incepe sa se comporte ca si cum nu mai are nimic de pierdut. Brace for impact!


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O lectura interesanta, analiza apartinandu-i unui analist FSB (sursa neverificata). Oricum, majoritatea consideratiilor sunt aprecieri logica elementara, nu tre' sa fii insider in Aparatchik pentru a rationa astfel.

Pun textul si aici, in cazul in care dispare din linkul original. Grab your lurk0000.gif, it's a long read.

My translation of the analysis of the current situation in Russia by an active FSB analyst. Buckle up for a long thread and definitely please share far & wide. The full text is over 2000 words. This is a highly insightful look behind the curtain - covers many subjects. I will add clarification comments inside parenthesis where necessary. So, let's roll:

"I have hardly slept at all these days, at work at almost all times, I have brain-fog. Maybe from overworking, but I feel like I am in a surreal world.
The Pandora’s Box is open – a real global horror will begin by the summer – global famine is inevitable as Russia and Ukraine are main producers of wheat. (MY COMMENTARY: I disagree that this will result in global famine.)
I can’t say what guided those in charge to decide to proceed with the execution of this operation (Ukraine invasion), but now they are methodically blaming us (FSB). We are being scolded for our analysis. Recently, we have been increasingly pressured to prepare more reports.
All of these political consultants and politicians and the powers-that-be are causing chaos. Most importantly, no one knew that there will be such a war – it was concealed from everyone.
For example – you are being asked to analyze various outcomes and consequences of a meteorite attack on Russia (MY COMMENTARY: Here he most likely means the West’s sanctions) –
So you research the mode of attack, and you are being told that it’s just a hypothetical and not to stress on the details, so you understand the report is only intended as a checkbox for some bureaucrat, and the conclusions of the analysis must be positive for Russia,
otherwise you basically get interrogated for not doing good work. So, you have to write that we have all necessary measures available to nullify the effects of a given type of attack. We are completely overworked.
But then it turns out that the hypothetical has turned into reality, and the analysis we’ve done on that hypothetical is total trash. We have no answer to the sanctions because of this. No one knew there’d be such a war, so no one prepared for these sanctions.
It’s the flipside consequence of the secrecy – since everyone was kept in the dark, how could we prepare for it?
Kadyrov has gone nuts. We (FSB) were very close to a conflict with him because the Ukrainians claimed to having received intel from the FSB on his squad in Kyiv.
Kadyrov's squad was absolutely demolished before they even had a chance to fight and they got blown to pieces. I do not have any info that it was an FSB leak to Ukraine, so I’d give it a 1-2% chance – but can’t exclude this possibility completely.
Our Blitzkrieg has totally collapsed. It is impossible to complete the task: If Zelensky and his deputies were captured in the first 3 days, all key buildings also captured, and they were forced to read an address of their surrender to the country,
then Ukraine’s resistance would have likely dissolved to a minimal level. Theoretically. But then what? Even in this IDEAL outcome, there remained an unsolvable problem: Who is the counterparty to our negotiations?
If we remove Zelensky – fine – who is going to sign the agreement? If Zelensky signs, then that agreement is worthless after we remove him. ОПЗЖ (The Opposition Party in Ukraine collaborating with Russia) has refused to cooperate.
Medvechuk, the coward, ran away. There is another leader – Boyko, but he refused too, even his own people won’t understand him. Wanted to bring back Tsaryova, but even our guys are against him here in Russia. Bring back Yanukovich? But how?
If we are saying we can’t occupy, then the newly formed government will be overthrown in 10 minutes as soon as we leave.
To occupy? Where would we find that many people? Commandant’s office, military police, counter-intelligence, security – even at minimum resistance from the Ukrainians, we’d need over 500,000 people, not including supply & logistics.
There’s a rule - if you try to cover for bad quality leadership with quantity, you’ll make everything worse. And I repeat this would be the problem in the IDEAL SCENARIO, which does not exist.
And what now? We cannot announce general mobilization for two reasons:
1) Mobilization will implode the situation inside Russia: political, economic, and social.
2) Our logistics are already over-extended today. We can send a much large contingent into Ukraine, and what would we get? Ukraine – a territorially enormous country, and their hate towards us is astronomical.
Our roads simply cannot accommodate the resupply of such convoys, and everything will come to a halt. And we can’t pull it off from the management side because of the current chaos.
These two reasons exist concurrently, although just one of them is enough to break everything.
With regards to Russian military losses: I don’t know the reality – no one does. There was some information the first 2 days, but now no one knows what is happening in Ukraine. We’ve lost contact with major divisions. (!!)
They may re-establish contact, or may dissipate under an attack, and even the commanders don’t know how many are dead, injured, or captured. Total dead is definitely in the thousands, maybe 10,000, maybe 5,000, or maybe just 2,000.
But even at our command no one knows. But probably closer to 10,000 Russian soldiers killed. And we are not counting losses at DNR & LNR.
Now even we kill Zelensky or take him prisoner, nothing will change. The level of hate toward us is similar to Chechnya. And now, even those loyal to us in Ukraine are publicly against us.
Because all of this was planned at the top (in Russia), because we were told that such a scenario will not happen (Ukraine invasion) except only if we were to be attacked first.
Because we were told that we need to maximize our threats in order to negotiate an outcome through peace. Because we were already preparing protests against Zelensky in Ukraine without ever considering invading Ukraine.
Now, civilian losses in Ukraine will follow a geometric pattern progression, and resistance against us will only get stronger. Infantries already tried to enter cities – out of 20 paratrooper groups, only one had “provisional” success.
Recall the invasion of Mosul. It’s a rule – happens with every country, nothing new. To siege? Over the last decades in Europe – Serbia being the best example, cities can remain functional under siege for years. Humanitarian convoys from Europe to Ukraine is only a matter of time
Our conditional deadline is June. Conditional because in June there will be no economy left in Russia – there will be nothing left.
By and large, next week there will be a collapse (in Russia) to either of the two sides (for vs against war), simply because current tension (in Russia) is unsustainable.
We have no analyses, we can’t make any forecasts in this chaos, no one will be able to say anything with any certainty (in Russia).
To act through intuition, especially with high emotions, this is no poker game. But our bets will have to grow in size with hope that some option will succeed. The tragedy is that we can easily miscalculate, and as a result lose everything.
By and large, Russia does not have an out. There are no options for a possible victory, only of losses – this is it. (BREAK FOR NOW, WILL CONTINUE POSTING TRANSLATION IN A BIT)
(THIS UPCOMING 2nd HALF IS ARGUABLY MORE INTERESTING AND ENDS WITH A PLEASANT SURPRISE)
"100% we’ve repeated our mistake from last century, when we decided to kick the “weak” Japan in order to achieve a quick victory, and it turned our army was in a state of total calamity.
Then, we started a war till the victorious end, then we started conscripting the Bolsheviks for re-education in the army. Then these barely-known Bolsheviks picked up their anti-war slogans and started doing such things...
From the pluses: We did everything to ensure there wasn’t even a hint that we sent penal military units to the front. If you conscript political prisoners and the socially undesirables, the moral spirit of the army will be in the negative.
The enemy (Ukraine) is motivated. Monstrously motivated. Knows how to fight, plenty of capable commanders. They have weapons and support. We will simply establish a precedent of human catastrophe in the world.
What we are afraid of the most: The top is trying to mask old problems with new problems. Largely for this reason Donbass happened in 2014 – We needed to distract the West from the Russian Spring in Crimea, so Donbass’ so-called crisis had to pull in all of the West's attention
and become a bargaining chip. But even bigger problems started there. Then we decided to pressure Erdogan to get 4 pipes for the Southern Stream (gas) and entered Syria.
This is after Suleimani (Islamic Revolutionary Guard) knowingly provided false info to us to solve his own problems. As a result, we couldn’t resolve the problem with Crimea, and Donbass’ problems didn’t go away.
Southern Stream was reduced to 2 pipes (gas), and Syria is hanging – we leave and Assad will be toppled and we will look like idiots, and staying there is hard and pointless.
I don’t know who come up with the “Blitzkrieg of Ukraine.” Had we received all the real inputs, we would have at minimum pointed out that the initial plan is arguable, and that much has to be reassessed. A lot had to be reassessed.
Now we are in crap (PG language mine) up to our necks, and we don’t know what to do. “Denazification” and “demilitarization” are not analytical categories because they don’t have concretely formulated parameters by which meeting of the objectives can be evaluated.
Now we are stuck waiting until some mentally screwed up advisor convinces the top to start a conflict with Europe, with demands to reduce the sanctions – they either loosen the sanctions or war.
And what if the West refuses? In that instance I won’t exclude that we will be pulled into a real international conflict, just like Hitler in 1939. Our “Z” will be equated to the Swastika.
Is there a possibility of a localized nuclear strike (in Ukraine)? Yes. Not for any military objectives. Such a weapon won’t help with the breach of the defenses. But with a goal of scaring everyone else (The West).
We are plowing to create a scenario to blame everything on Ukraine. Naryshkin (Director of Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia) and his SVR is digging the ground to prove that Ukraine was secretly building nuclear weapons. F*&K.
They are hammering at what we’ve already analyzed and closed the book on: We can’t just make up any evidence or proof and existence of specialists and Uranium. Ukraine has a ton of depleted isotope 238 – this is nothing. The production cycle is such that you can’t do it in secret
A dirty bomb can’t be created in secret. Ukraine’s old nuclear power plants can only produce the material as a by-product in minimal amounts. The Americans have such monitoring at these plants with MAGATE that even talking about this is stupid.
Do you know what will start in a week? Let’s let it be even in 2 weeks. We are going to be so screwed we will start reminiscing about the good ol’ hungry days of the 90s.
As the markets are being closed, Nabiullina appears to be taking the right steps, but it’s like plugging holes on a ship with your fingers. The situation will break through anyway and even stronger. Nothing will be solved in 3 or 5 or 7 days any longer.
Kadyrov is kicking his hoofs not without reason. They have their own adventures. He created a name for himself as the invincible – and if he falls down once his own people will remove him.
Next. Syria. “Guys – hold on, everything will end in Ukraine and then we will fortify our positions in Syria.” And now at any moment our contingent stationed there may run out of supplies, and then ridiculous heat will come….
Turkey is closing the strait, and sending supplies to Syria by air is the same as heating an oven with cash. Please note – this is all happening at the same time, and we don’t even have time to throw it all in one pile for analysis.
Our current position is like Germany in 1943-1944 – but that’s our STARTING position in Ukraine.
Sometimes I get lost in this overwork, sometimes it feels as if this is just a dream and all is as it was before.
With regards to prisons – it will get worse. The nuts will start to get tightened till blood. Everywhere. To be frank, purely technically, this is the only way to maintain any control of the situation.
We are already in total mobilization mode. But we can’t remain in this mode for long, but our timetables are unknown, and it will only get worse. Governance always goes astray from mobilization. And just imagine: You can sprint 100m – but try that in a marathon.
And so, with the Ukrainian question we lunged as if going for a 100m sprint, but turned out we’d signed up for a marathon. And this is a rather brief overview of the current events.
To offer further cynicism, I don’t believe that Putin will press the red button to destroy the entire world.
First, it’s not one person that decides, and someone will refuse. There are lots of people involved in the process and there is no single “red” button.
Second, there are certain doubts that it actually functions properly.
Experience shows that the more transparent the control procedures, the easier it is to identify problems. And where it’s murky as to who controls what and how, but always files reports full of bravado, is where there are always problems.
I am not sure that the “red button” system functions according to the declared data. Besides, plutonium fuel must be changed every 10 years.
Third, and this is the most disgusting and sad, I personally do not believe in Putin’s will to sacrifice himself when he does not even allow his closest ministers and advisors to be in his vicinity.
Whether it’s due to Putin's fear of COVID or a possible assassination is irrelevant. If Putin is scared for the most trusted people to be near him, then how could he possibly choose to destroy himself and those dearest to him?

(END OF TRANSLATION)

ADDENDUM: I wrote the following thread on March 1st - my opinion of the situation

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post 6 Mar 2022, 21:54
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@Bwwlan wow tare interesant .
Acum nu vreau sa par aberant , dar cred ca istoria se va repeta si rusii (poporul) il vor lamuri cum l-au lamurit romanii pe Ceausescu . Sper doar sa nu astepte pana la Craciun .


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Romanii l-au lamurit pe Ceausescu ?
Poate agentii KGB-ului in Romania...


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I se rupea URSS-ului de România în 1989. Avea alte probleme. Asta cu implicarea sovietica e o teorie securistica. Vezi doamne ce patrioti si profesioniști eram noi ăștia din securitate dar a fost o manevra sovietica si n-am avut ce face.

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Lectura e interesanta, dar tot asa, inainte de razboi , erau lecturi care relatau ca un razboi ca acesta nu e posibil sa mai inceapa.
Si a inceput
Pana se realizeaza ce e acolo, Ucraina e praf. Si morti cu duiumul de ambele parti.


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<span class='edit'>7 Mar 2022, 13:46:</span>
https://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-razboi_ucraina...let-imorala.htm

Bine, dincolo de folosirea civilior ca scut uman pentru coloanele de aprovizionare rusesti, asta nu e u fel de deportare? Hai in rusia ca altfel muriti in oras?

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Kiril se clatina, inca unu-doi din astia, si e pa.

@Diac revolutia a fost exclusiv o afacere KGB-ista, securitatii i s-a permis sa supravietuiasca la schimb cu tradarea lui Ceausescu, ceea ce s-a vazut destul de limpede si la tv in zilele alea.

Asa cum pe 23 de dimineata crainicul tvr se grabea sa citeasca celebrul comunicat al ambasadei sovietice, cel cu ajutorul militar imediat, pe care-l solicitase Petrica la telefon cu o zi inainte.

Tot pe 23 nea Nelu il reactiva si il punea in fruntea armatei pe generalul Militaru.
Apoi in celebrul Monitor Oficial din 27 decembrie 89 (la momentul respectiv nu exista institutia monitorului oficial) au fost rechemati la "arme" urmatorii tovarasi, ca sa consolideze revolutia:

Lista generalilor rechemați în Armată la 27 decembrie 1989

General-colonel Vasile Ștefan Ionel (El terminase Academia Militară la Moscova, în 1954, ca șef de promoție. Doi ani, între 1952 și 1954, fusese concomitent la studii în URSS cu Nicolae Militaru și Ion Iliescu. Generalul Victor Atanasie Stănculescu a declarat în direct la emisiunea „Nașul", de la B1 TV, unde se dezbat episoade din serialul „Misterele Revoluției", că este foarte probabil ca Vasile Ionel să fi fost adevăratul șef al rețelei KGB-GRU în România. Generalul Ionel a fost protejatul lui Ion Iliescu. În timpul primului mandat de președinte al „emanatului" Revoluției, Vasile Ionel a ocupat și postul de șef al Cancelariei prezidențiale!)

General-locotenent Paul Romano Cheler (era în vizorul Securității pentru legăturile suspecte cu KGB-GRU)

General-locotenent Jean Ioan Moldoveanu (relații suspecte cu KGB-GRU)

General-locotenent Marin Gheorghe Bălteanu (relații suspecte cu KGB-GRU)

General-locotenent Ioan Bucur Bordei (relații suspecte cu KGB-GRU)

General-locotenent Liviu Traian Ciubăncan (relații suspecte cu KGB-GRU)

Contraamiral Nicolae Gheorghe Hârjeu (relații suspecte cu KGB-GRU)

General-maior Horia Traian Opruță (Cazul său a fost documentat de Securitate și prezentat lui Nicolae Ceaușescu. Opruță apărea ca fiind „100% recrutat de serviciile secrete sovietice")

General-maior Dumitru Nicolae Pletos (relații suspecte cu KGB-GRU)

General-maior Gheorghe Constantin Popescu (relații suspecte cu KGB-GRU)

Gasesti mai multe in articol: /adevarul.ro/news/eveniment/lista-spionului-militaru-vremea-iliescu-1_50ad4fb27c42d5a66392c512/index.html


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In 1989, România era parte a Tratatului de la Varsovia? Unde sa sune Roman si Iliescu prima oara daca nu la Moscova? Iliescu dorea glasnost si perestoika, Moscova nu a avut nimic de obiectat. Dar Romania chiar nu conta pentru nimeni la ora aia. Dar pentru vajnicii securisti d-alde Plesita, Vlad si altii, povestea complotului Kaghebist pica la fix. Au rostogolit niste mituri cu Militaru care ar fi fost spion GRU si l-ar fi executat pe Trosca, cu dosarul "Corbii". Doar ca nu se potrivesc datele.

Cum am zis, securistii se scot "patrioti" competenti care incercau sa salveze tara de sovietici.


Mie mi-a placut cartea asta. Explica multe. Doar fapte si documente. Nu povesti.
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oare nu vreti sa reveniti la timpuri prezente? sau sa va faceti topic unde sa discutati ce va intere pe voi ..


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Fara initiere, amestec, sprijin extern, sovietic, american, francez, etc, Ceausescu nu cadea atunci, nu-l dadeau jos asa repede nici securitatea si nici revolutionarii. Norocul a fost ca nu-l mai vroiau nici rusii nici americanii, ghinionul a fost ca americanii i-au lasat pe rusi sa gestioneze. Acum vor sa gestioneze ei, americanii. Si o fac. Dar nu in avantajul nostru. E adevarat ca nu-ti baga nimeni in traista, dar la ce coruptie e inca la noi, ma si mir cum de ne-au bagat in nato si eu. Tot din interesul lor, nu al nostru.
Iar ca sa revenim la subiectul zilei, e randul ucrainenilor sa intre la mijloc, intre interesele rusilor si ale americanilor. Pacat de oamenii ucisi sau alungati de pe la casele lor.

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QUOTE(cj98czh @ 7 Mar 2022, 16:04)
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Scuze, ai dreptate. Sa tinem minte sa facem topic la iarna in decembrie.


A treia runda de negocieri a inceput in Belarus. Delegatia ucraineana a venit cu un elicopter Blackhawk polonez. Sa tina minte sa nu bea nimic din ce le ofera gazdele : nici ceai, nici apa.

Cica rusii ar vrea ca Zelenski sa ramana presedinte de forma si sa puna ei un prim ministru, Ucraina sa cedeze Donesk si Lugansk si evident Crimeea. Si sa se angajeze ca nu intra in Nato Never-ever. Si evident ca li s-a zis pas.

Intre timp, treaba se nasoleste in Rusia din ce in ce mai tare. Preturile explodeaza iar medicamentele incep sa dispara.


Putin poate pica doar printr-o lovitura de palat. Armand Gosu (mare expert pe spatiul ex-sovietic) zice ca primul ministru Mishushkin ar fi posibil sa-i ia locul lui Putin in caz ca omu pateste ceva. Nah, are o vârsta, un infarct e oricând posibil. Se zvoneste ca ar avea si o boala autoimuna si de aceea i se umfla fata periodic. Dupa aia, toate relele sunt din vina lui Putin...suntem iar prieteni cu toata lumea si o luam de la capat dupa inca o generatie care nu citeste istorie si crede ca poate intelege cu Rusia.

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Am avit curiozitatea, ce-i drept morbida, sa intru pe pagina de feisbuc a unui "(de)formator" de opinie al Haur. "Dăcât" 10.000 (da, zece mii) de folouărși care îi sorbeau adevărurile pe nemestecate și neverificate.

Linia discursului e cam așa: ucrainienii si-o merită, că naziștii ăia sigur făceau ei ceva necurat avolo și-s ocrotiți oricum de UE și SUA, și foarte bine că le dau rușii cu bombe da oricum ce se vede in presa lor e fake news, că nu dă nimeni cu bombe, că rușii-s acuzați și ponegriți aiurea și oricum ucrainienii se omoara intre ri si dau vina pe rusi si oricum nu-i razboi, da' si daca ar fi, rusii inving.
Io contorsiuni logice mai sinistre zau daca am vazut.

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Azi a fost prima "infatisare" la tribunalul de la Haga in procesul deschis la solicitarea Ucrainei impotriva Rusiei pentru crime de razboi. Dupa votul "de condamnare" covarsitor de la ONU de saptamana trecuta, in seara asta l-am vazut la bbc pe unull dintre principalii judecatori de Haga. A subliniat ca exista atata informatie/dovezi in spatiul public cu privire la crime de razboi, incat nu exista nicio indoiaal cu privire la verdict. (Nota: Rusia NU si-a trimis avocatii la aceasta prima sedinta de astazi)

Asta fiind contextul in Mart.2022, cred ca putem spune cu certitudine ca tov.Putin este decis sa nu-si mai paraseasca tara (ori buncarul) pentru restul vietii sale. Cel mult se poate aventura pana in China sau Coreea de Nord.
Acum stiind limpede contextul international pe care l-a creat, cred ca in mintea lui e destul de limpede:
- o "lovitura de palat" nu-l va da deoparte in viata (e constient ce ar urma);
- daca tot am ajuns aici, "dupa mine potopul". In sensul ca oricum s-ar termina meciul asta, rusii de rand vor avea mult de tras; mai mult decat restul lumii care incepe sa vada deja efecte.


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QUOTE(Bwwlan @ 7 Mar 2022, 20:02)
Am avit curiozitatea, ce-i drept morbida, sa intru pe pagina de feisbuc a unui "(de)formator" de opinie al Haur.
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Zi-ne te rog cine e personagiul, sa intru si eu sa vad 'pana unde merge ticalosia omului'. Am uneori scapari in masochism.



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Poftiț de căutaț pe numitul Catalin Dinulescu.
Hăpt pe prima pagină e precen cu Daniela și bărbacsu. Companie selectă ține dânsul.
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@meg2s - nu stiu de ce dar nu-l vad pe Putin la Haga. Lucasenko probabil ca va ajunge acolo, cu toata conducerea armatei bieloruse.

Un interviu interesant cu un jurnalist rus:

https://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-razboi_ucraina...ui-conteaza.htm

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La noi niciodată nu sunt formulări în legislație suficient de clare pentru ca ele să nu fie adaptate la orice scenariu „potrivit”. Aici cuvintele-cheie sunt „închisoare pentru 15 ani” și la acești 15 ani condamnarea poate fi pentru orice. Orice poate fi numit „fake”, orice forma de dezacord poate fi interpretată prin prisma acestui articol.

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Niciodată în istorie, introducerea unor sancțiuni nu a atins scopurile declarate. Imaginați-vă satele de la marginea Rusiei, în care salariul este atât de mic, încât oamenii merg la magazin doar la sărbători, iar de obicei mănâncă tot ce cresc în grădină.

Și acum îi spune cineva că nu vor mai fi Louis Vuitton și Iphone. Ei nici măcar nu știu ce sunt astea. La acest subiect este o anecdotă foarte tristă, care spune că la Sîzrani (orașul din regiunea Samara, Rusia - n.r.) despre cel de-al treilea război mondial nici nu s-a aflat.

Efectul sancțiunilor va fi resimțit de cei care au trăit un pic diferit, cei de la Moscova, Sankt Petersburg, Novosibirsk. Dar dacă sancțiunile, după calculele europenilor, sunt menite să-i supere pe oameni cu scopul că aceștia să se răscoale pentru a da jos autoritățile - acest lucru nu se va întâmpla niciodată.

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În perspectivă, Rusia s-ar putea confrunta cu un colaps economic sau o criză umanitară, din cauza războiului din Ucraina?

Nu, absolut. Va fi mai rău. Pe urmă va fi cu mult mai rău, dar global nu se va întâmpla nimic. Rusia este o țară mare. Doar aproximativ 18% din populația Rusie are pașapoarte pentru a călători peste hotare. Da, totul se va scumpi, dar când în țara noastră ceva s-a ieftinit? Practic nimic și niciodată.

E adevărat că de mulți manageri din companii mari, care zi și noapte își cumpărau telefoane și mașini scumpe, nu mai are nimeni nevoie. Dar ei nu sunt mulți.

O altă parte a acestei situații, este că foarte mulți oameni „cu plăcere” au mers la război. Cei de la sate au mers la război deoarece la ei acasă nu este niciun viitor, inclusiv mă refer la salariu. Ei se gândesc la faptul că la război nu vor muri chiar toți, iar cei care vor supraviețui, vor veni acasă cu „mulți” bani.

Nimeni nu spune exact cât anume acum se achită (banii) în cadrul contractului pentru serviciul militar. De exemplu, la actualul curs, veți fi șocați, dar salariul în mai multe sate din Rusia este de aproximativ 60 de euro pe lună. Potrivit unor informații, pe surse, pentru o lună de război se achită 550 de euro.

Așa bani nimeni nu are în sate. Dumneavoastră, voi cei din Europa, vă gândiți la faptul că viața omului nu are preț. Asta nu înseamnă că autoritățile voastre au o grijă enormă de voi, însă politică statului este îndreptată spre valoare vieții fiecărei persoane.

În Rusia viața șefului are prioritate. În acest sens, cele două lumi ale noastre nu se intersectează. Toate ONG-urile care promovau altfel de mesaje, apărarea priorității vieții omului, au fost închise în Rusia mai înainte.

Afirmația lui Ivan Groznîi precum „femeile vor mai naște alții” nu se declară în mod oficial, dar se observă în abordări.




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https://m.mediafax.ro/externe/zelenski-este...craina-20601157

Să fie ăsta un semn că se înțeleg la împărțeală?


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Nu cred.
Zelenski nu se opreste. In legea lui el stie ca are dreptate( asa o fi) si merge in continuare cu filmarile si incurajarea. Treaba asta e buna, dar mai mult pe vremea lui Stefan.
Din pacate, cred ca multe orase vor fi una cu pamantul, in ritmul asta.
Sincer, nu credeam ca in 2022 voi vedea asa ceva intr o tara europeana.
Un criminal insetat de sange si un biet actor, care a fost "condus" din sfori de ceva papusari si lasat acum de izbeliste.


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