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Motor Flush, cand se face ? cu ce se face ? cum se face ?

ritter
post 26 Nov 2010, 21:56
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Salut,
Meganetele meu face 90 k in curand. Pe langa revizia normala, vreau sa-i fac si motor flush (curatare interior inainte de schimb ulei). Cei de la service Renault au zis ca nu au aditiv si sa-mi aduc eu.
Intrebarile pentru cei care au facut deja, sunt:

1. Ce tip de aditiv curatare se foloseste la motorul de 1.6 16V ?
2. Cum se foloseste ?
3. Cand este indicat, ca si numar de km, sa se foloseasca ?

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post 26 Nov 2010, 21:59
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Si eu m-am intrebat oare cum se face. Ii rugam pe cei cu experienta in domeniu sa ne lamureasca. Pentru motoarele dci o fi aceasi treaba?


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post 26 Nov 2010, 22:01
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Eu l-am folosit la ultima revizie , cel de la 2+2 , la recomandarea unui amic ce lucreaza de mult ca vanzator la un magazin de piese auto, el sustinand ca foloseste asta la al sau Audi A3 1.8T de cam 70.000km. Cum a costat doar 13lei , am zis ca merita sa incerc.

In uleiul vechi am turnat intreg flaconul , am tinut motorul pornit 3min si am dat drumul la ulei sa curga.

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post 26 Nov 2010, 23:03
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Ulei bun schimbat cand spune producatorul si toate filtrele schimbate la fiecare revizie, bineintele filtre de calitate ... cu reteta asa fostul R25 a trecut de 700.000 km ... eu unul nu bag tampenii in motor ..


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post 27 Nov 2010, 08:21
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cj98czh ai mare dreptate wink.gif toata treaba e sa schimbati cum spune producatorul ,uleiul si celelalte consumabile si nu veti avea nevoie de toate draciile astea, de curatat motorul ,de curatat injectoare .......... si ce dracu ori mai fi , sunt niste prosti nu face decat sa aruncati banuti aiurea radmasa.gif


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post 27 Nov 2010, 09:26
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Salut!
O poati face in 2 feluri.
1. Dupa ce scoti uleiul vechi din motor, fara sa desfaci filtrul de ulei, bagi un ulei tip M(romanesc) si lasi motorul sa mearga la relanti timp de 10 min, dupa care scoti acest ulei de curatire,
2. Exista pe piata o solutie de curatire care se numeste chiar Flash Motor, pe care il bagi in motor, peste uleiul vechi, cand ajungi la service. Lasi motorul la relanti max 5-10 min, si gata !
Eu sunt mai sigur cu prima metoda.

Eu mi-am cumparat Elf 5W30 din Franta (atunci cand am cumparat masina) si dupa ce am facut schimbul de ulei am folosit un flacon de 250mg de Metabond tip C.


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post 27 Nov 2010, 11:15
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mai faceau unii soferi la dacii dupa ce dadeau drumu la ulei puneau 4 litri de motorina in motor si lasau sa merga 1 minut la relanti dupa care dadeau drumu la motorina si lasau sa se scurga


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post 27 Nov 2010, 12:37
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si in 10.000 km ii faceau motorul si se intrebau de ce... Lasati oameni buni masinile cum sunt si faceti reviziile care sunt recomandate de renault la intervalul recomandat. Acum fiecare face ce vrea cu banii si masina lui. Bafta...


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post 27 Nov 2010, 13:07
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QUOTE(aLecsunder @ 26 Nov 2010, 23:01)
Eu l-am folosit la ultima revizie , cel de la 2+2 , la recomandarea unui amic ce lucreaza de mult ca vanzator la un magazin de piese auto, el sustinand ca foloseste asta la al sau Audi A3 1.8T de cam 70.000km. Cum a costat doar 13lei , am zis ca merita sa incerc.

In uleiul vechi am turnat intreg flaconul , am tinut motorul pornit 3min si am dat drumul la ulei sa curga.
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QUOTE(terorel @ 27 Nov 2010, 10:26)
Salut!
O poati face in 2 feluri.
1. Dupa ce scoti uleiul vechi din motor, fara sa desfaci filtrul de ulei, bagi un ulei tip M(romanesc) si lasi motorul sa mearga la relanti timp de 10 min, dupa care scoti acest ulei de curatire,
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Corect si sanatos pt. motor!

27 Nov 2010, 14:08:
QUOTE(aLecsunder @ 26 Nov 2010, 23:01)
Eu l-am folosit la ultima revizie , cel de la 2+2 , la recomandarea unui amic ce lucreaza de mult ca vanzator la un magazin de piese auto, el sustinand ca foloseste asta la al sau Audi A3 1.8T de cam 70.000km. Cum a costat doar 13lei , am zis ca merita sa incerc.

In uleiul vechi am turnat intreg flaconul , am tinut motorul pornit 3min si am dat drumul la ulei sa curga.
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QUOTE(terorel @ 27 Nov 2010, 10:26)
Salut!
1. Dupa ce scoti uleiul vechi din motor, fara sa desfaci filtrul de ulei, bagi un ulei tip M(romanesc) si lasi motorul sa mearga la relanti timp de 10 min, dupa care scoti acest ulei de curatire,
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Corect si sanatos pt. motor!

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post 27 Nov 2010, 15:15
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Asa scria pe flacon , asa am procedat.

Din ce am inteles eu nu face decat sa subieze uleiul , ca acesta sa se scurga mai usor.

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post 27 Nov 2010, 16:07
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Pai asta ar fi si ideea, nu? Cu cat e uleiul mai subtire cu atat ramane mai putin prin motor. Posibil sa fie aceasi treaba daca scoti uleiul cat e fierbinte.


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post 27 Nov 2010, 16:17
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Asta am gasit la prima cautare pe google (pt cine stie engleza): http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html

Iata si ce zice:

Flushing oils
These are special compound oils that are very, very thin. They almost have the consistency of tap water when cold as well as hot. Typically they are 0W/20 oils. Don't ever drive with these oils in your engine - it won't last. (Caveat : some hybrid vehicles now require 0W20, so if you're a hybrid driver, check your owner's manual). Their purpose is for cleaning out all the gunk which builds up inside an engine. Note that Mobil1 0W40 is okay, because the '40' denotes that it's actually thick enough at temperature to work. 0W20 just doesn't get that viscous!

Do I need a flushing oil?
Unless there's something seriously wrong with your engine, like you've filled it with milk or shampoo, you really ought never to need a flushing oil. If you're transitioning from a mineral oil to a synthetic oil, likewise you probably don't need to flush the engine first.
If you do decide to do an oil flush, first drain your engine of all it's oil, but leave the old oil filter in place. Next fill it up with flushing oil and run it at a fast idle for about 20 minutes. Finally, drain all this off (and marvel at the crap that comes out with it), replace the oil filter, refill with a good synthetic oil and voila! Clean engine.
Of course, like most things nowadays, there's a condition attached when using flushing oils. In an old engine you really don't want to remove all the deposits. Some of these deposits help seal rings, lifters and even some of the flanges between the heads, covers, pan and the block, where the gaskets are thin. I have heard of engines with over 280,000km that worked fine, but when flushed it failed in a month because the blow-by past the scraper ring (now really clean) contaminated the oil and screwed the rod bearings.

Using Diesel oil for flushing
A question came up some time ago about using diesel-rated oils to flush out petrol engines. The idea was that because of the higher detergent levels in diesel engine oil, it might be a good cleaner / flusher for a non-diesel engine. Well most of the diesel oil specification oils can be used in old petrol engines for cleaning, but you want to use a low specification oil to ensure that you do not over clean your engine and lose compression for example. Generally speaking, an SAE 15W/40 diesel engine oil for about 500 miles might do the trick.



Read more: http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html#ixzz16UaHpPaO


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post 8 Dec 2010, 21:39
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Si noi, la aeroplane, mai flush-uim motoarele...Dar numai cand schimbam producatorul de ulei (tipul, ramane intotdeauna acelasi!).
La uleiurile moderne, cele destinate uzului auto (motorizari cu piston Diesel sau Otto), recomand spalarea interioara numai si numai daca se schimba producatorul uleiului.

Cat despre povestea cu care CRY 79 era de acord, afirmand si ca e foarte sanatos pentru motoras, nu sunt aboslut deloc de acord... Se schimba producatorul uleiului, iar uleiul '' de curatare'' mentionat de colegul nostru, din punctul meu de vedere, nu este agent de curatire, ci mai degraba agent "de imbacsire"...

Daca totusi sunteti nevoiti sau va imboldeste dorinta de a schimba in mod neaparat producatorul uleiului, folositi zeama Motor Flush asa cum scrie pe cutie...
De regula, continutul flaconului se varsa in motor, peste uleiul uzat, se lasa motorul sa mearga pretz de 10-15 minutele LA RALANTI, pe loc (fara a deplasa sanioara!!!!), apoi se scurge amestecul rezultat si se inlocuieste filtrul. Explicatia e foarte simpla, asa cum a fost deja furnizata si de un alt coleg de-al nost': zeama de spalare interioara, de regula pe baza de naftani, anihileaza partial onctuozitatea uleiului, fluidizandu-l naprasnic si asigurand, astfel, si dilutia eventualelor depuneri si gume carbonoase formate in interiorul motorului, care vor fi eliminate o data cu scurgerea uleiului uzat.

Sfatul meu, din suflet si cu gandul atat la motoarele masinutelor cat si la bugetele noastre: lasati-le, mai oameni buni, in pace! Schimbati uleiul in interval de service de 8500-9000 km (faza cu service in 15000 km ramane pentru subsemnatul o glumita nesarata in conditiile din RO), pastrati acelasi tip si producator, folositi la fiece schimb elemente filtrante de calitate si veti avea surpriza sa constatati ca (si) Renault face motoare fiabile si de viata lunga...

Personal, cu Kurulina din dotare am parcurs deja 80 miare km, fara a baga in motor nimic altceva decat Elf 10w40, filtre Mann, la fiece aproximativ 9000 km, si nu poci a declara sub nicio forma cum ca motorasul masinutei mele ar parea a da semne de osteneala...

PS: Nu va speriati daca pe joja, de la un schimb la altul, nivelul lubrifiantului scade cu unu-doi mm..E normal sa fie asa: orice motor cu ardere interna ''consuma'' ulei...Mai mult, mai putin, asta difera de la fabricant la fabricant. Insa, pe tema asta, sunt tare off-topic...


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