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post 28 Jul 2010, 09:57
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Semnal de intrare 200mV-8V = intrare high level? Eu asa cred, dar nu strica sa intrebi. Cel putin la mine in amplif, intrarea HL e alta decat cea pentru semnal preamplificat. HPF-urile sunt ok, la 200 Hz.

Intre cele doua amplificatoare e teoretic e o diferenta consistenta. In 4 ohmi. Nu e si o diferenta de pret? Nu sunt cam scumpe? Amplificatoarele astea entry level sunt cam la fel, daca sunt produse de firme ceva mai spalate. Intre un JL si un Apline va fi diferenta doar de putere, cu plus sau minus.


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post 28 Jul 2010, 09:59
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G1300 are doar 150w iar G2250 are 250w RMS,pe acesta l-as lua.Zici sa merg pe alta marca?


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post 28 Jul 2010, 10:07
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Semnalul de intrare high-level nu se masoara in V. Sunt playere care pot scoate 8V pe RCA. Cu cat mai mult cu atat mai bine smile.gif


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post 28 Jul 2010, 10:13
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Am intrebat,nu are.Ce amplif sa iau?



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post 28 Jul 2010, 10:15
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Aha, am inteles. Observasem multe amplif-uri cu intrare pana in 4V si de acolo mi-a venit ideea nastrusnica.
In concluzie, JL-urile nu au intrare high level. Ori cauti convertor, ori alte amplif-uri.
Eu a 2-a oara mi-as pune PMX-T320, sau cu siguranta un amplificator cu intrare high level.


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post 28 Jul 2010, 10:19
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eu mi-as pune un head unit cu iesiri RCA blush.gif


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post 28 Jul 2010, 10:39
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Eu as pune o unitate 2DIN turbata...


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post 28 Jul 2010, 10:51
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http://magnat.cms.nexum.de/fileadmin/av/co..._TS_english.pdf

e la promotie 10 milioane + TVA la George. In scadere de la 15.


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post 28 Jul 2010, 14:07
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Ce parere aveti daca ii trintesc un G1700? (pret 700 lei).
http://www.be-loud.ro/produse/Amplificatoa...JL_Audio/G1700/
la 12,2v are 250wRMS iar la 14,4 are 350wRMS...eu de obicei am cam 13,5v in medie cu motorul ponit.Sau e suficient un G2250?
In appenix scrie asa:

Rated Power @ 14.4V with less than
1% THD + Noise (20-250 Hz):
350W RMS x 1 @ 4 ohms, 700W RMS x 1 @ 2 ohms
Rated Power at 12.5 V with less than
1% THD+Noise (20-250 Hz):
250W RMS x 1 @ 4 ohms, 500W RMS x 1 @ 2 ohms

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post 28 Jul 2010, 14:14
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Are intrare high level?
Mai intreb un lucru: la ce-ti trebuie putere asa de mare in amplif? Al meu are 300 in 4 ohmi si sta cu gain mic. A, tu vrei sa stai cu gain-ul si mai mic. wacko.gif
Vezi ca nu ai pe unde sa tragi cablu de alimentare mai gros de 25 mm. Asa ca limiteaza-te totusi la 300W RMS. biggrin.gif


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post 28 Jul 2010, 14:18
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Ramine G2250 atunci,are 250w RMS la 14,4V,cine stie cit scoate la voltajul de 13...
Nu,nici unul nu are intrare high level,doar Alpine.


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post 28 Jul 2010, 14:19
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daca il gasesti la banii aia e f bun. Dar nu-l lua sa il pui pe high level pt ca iti bati joc de el, sincer.
Dan, un cablu de 20 mm e suficient pt 350W.
Ampliful poate sa aiba si 1000 w RMS, atata timp cat gainul e la nivel mic si nu da in woofer la greu, nu are ce sa pateasca.


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post 28 Jul 2010, 14:20
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Sau acesta la 550 lei:
http://marine.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=260
Din pacate toate JL cred ca nu au high level...
Cred ca asta va ramine,nu?

Iar G2250ul are asa:

Rated Power at 14.4V with less than
1% THD+Noise (20Hz - 2 kHz)
Bridged, all channels driven:
160W RMS x 1 @ 8 ohms, 250W RMS x 1 @ 4 ohms
Rated Power @ 12.5V with less than
1% THD + Noise (20Hz - 20 kHz)
Rated Power Bridged, all channels driven:
120W RMS x 1 @ 8 ohms, 180W RMS x 1 @ 4 ohms
Signal to Noise Ratio: >104 dB referred to rated power

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post 28 Jul 2010, 14:45
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http://www.alpine-europe.com/romania/produ...s/mrp-m500.html

Asta nu iti place? Are filtru subsonic, un mare + pentru prevenirea suprasolicitarii wooferului.

L.E. Acum mi-am adus aminte ca si Dan are acelasi amplif.


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post 28 Jul 2010, 14:56
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Nu ca nu-mi place,il are si Dan dar este cam puternic.Din pacate m-am impotmolit la alegerea amplificatorului pentru ca imi trebuie unul cu high level iar Alpine ar intruni aceasta conditie.Un PMX-T320 care are 150wRMS masurati CEA ar fi suficient (si din discutiile purtate cu terte persoane).Mai caut solutii.


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post 28 Jul 2010, 15:00
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este cam puternic pentru ce? La banii lui e un best buy pentru ce vrei tu


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post 28 Jul 2010, 15:05
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Pentru acest difuzor,Dan il tine la sfert din gain dar nu contest ca n-ar fi destui care ar tine la mai mult...


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post 28 Jul 2010, 15:12
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pai tocmai, pretul e ok, iar ampliful iti lasa o gramada de posibilitati pentru upgrade-uri viitoare.

Totusi, ceva ma nedumireste. Pe net in specificatii apare filtrul subsonic. In manual insa nu vad nimic legat de un astfel de reglaj.

L.E. Mister rezolvat, filtrul e fix, nu reglabil. Bun si asa.


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post 28 Jul 2010, 15:15
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Nu ma supara si mai tare tongue.gif ...deja am aflat ca ar fi mult mai bine sa iau un amplif cu intrare high level (dupa ce gasisem destule care sa-mi si convina de la JL) asa ca un Alpine cred ca voi lua.Sau,daca le stii poti sa-mi recomanzi altul.

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post 28 Jul 2010, 17:24
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Eu am vazut doar subsonice cu valoare fixa (de obicei pe la 15-25 Hz). E drept ca nu am vazut foarte multe ...
Ai varianta cu MRP M350? Vezi ce poti sa faci, daca e nou si din sursa de incredere (garantie) atunci e excelent.


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post 28 Jul 2010, 19:22
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A ramas sa merg maine, Adi era ocupat azi.
Uf, incep sa fiu nerabdator biggrin.gif
In cele din urma, voi propti subul de scaun si ma gandeam sa`l prind cu suruburi de scaunsi cu arici de partea de jos portbagajului, sa nu ma trezesc ca zboara liber la o curba luata mai strans, si eventual pun un suport pentru o surubelnita langa radmasa.gif

Am si depasit putin bugetul initial de 650 cu tot cu montaj, dar ... ma asteptam la un 20-30 RON mai mult. Nu de alta, dar a lipsit convertorul (ai avut dreptate, Dan) si grila de protectie pentru sub.

Dupa ce termin, fac si poze si apoi pe sfarsitul saptamanii, sambata, daca ai timp, Dan, ne intalnim si comparam biggrin.gif


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post 28 Jul 2010, 19:26
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Ia cititi voi putin specificatiile unui JL la alegere sa vedeti ca ARE selector de nivel al semnalului de intrare.
In a doua poza daca mariti imaginea se vede...asta ar fi ok,are 220wRMS,nici 150 ca G21300,nici 250 ca G2250 si nici 350 ca G1700.
http://marine.jlaudio.com/pdfs/7420.pdf
Va rog sa decodificati ce scrie si in sectiunea Input Section de pe pag 6...chiar sa nu aibe nevoie de adaptor?Eu inclin sa cred ca da,selectorul are doua pozitii,una pentru 800mV-2V si alta pentru 800mV-8V.
The “High” position on the “Input Voltage”
switch selects an input sensitivity range between
800mV and 8V. This is useful for certain highoutput
preamp level signals as well as speakerlevel
outputs from source units not equipped with
preamp-level outputs.
TOTUSI?

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post 28 Jul 2010, 21:00
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da, ai dreptate, tragi fire de la boxe la amplif, le pui mufe RCA in cap si le bagi acolo. Mi se pare o prostie de conexiune, dar asa se face.


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post 28 Jul 2010, 21:01
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To use speaker-level sources, splice the speaker output wires of the source unit or small amplifier onto a pair of RCA plugs. No line output converter is needed in most cases.
Adica merge si semnal mare, dar nu e chiar intrare de semanl mare. Si nu intotdeauna. E cu limitare. Fratzica spunea ca sunt playere care scot semnal preamplificat de pana la 8 volti.
Deci in unele cazuri merge fara convertor, in alte cazuri trebuie convertor. wacko.gif


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post 28 Jul 2010, 21:12
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Am citit si la G1700 (350wRMS-monobloc) cit si la M2150 (220wRMS) si la ambele cred ca nu mai e nevoie de convertor,pur si simplu iei un fire de la un difuzor si gata.Nu am inteles eu bine sau trebuie unul de la stinga si unul de la dreapta?
Dintre cele doua-trei (se mai adauga si G2250 de 250wRMS) pe care l-ati alege pentru 8W3v3-4?(strict la performante,nu pretul ma intereseaza).
G1700 fiind monobloc merge pina la 200Hz iar M2150 este clasa A/B.
Aici spune ca are 150w dar cred ca la 12 volti si ca are intrare high level:
http://outlet.crutchfield.com/S-bUBpczLZnD...2150.html?cc=02
speaker- and preamp-level inputs

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post 28 Jul 2010, 22:53
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Amplif-ul se leaga stereo (la mine e legat la dif-urile spate, stanga-dreapta) desi iesirea e mono.
G1700 are bass boost doar on/off.
G2250 are buton de bass boost care nu face decat sa activeze conexiunea in punte? La fel si marine.
Pentru M2150 nu am gasit o fisa a producatorului.
Amplificatoarele din seria G nu se mai afla in productie.

Am rezerve fata de compatibilitatea cu semnal high level. La Alpine sunt intrari separate, cu mufe absolut diferite.
Cauta un amplif cu intrari HL sigure, fara limitare, bass boost variabil (0-12 dB), HPF pana la minim 200 Hz, e bun si filtru subsonic.
Mie nu-mi plac amplif-urile de la JL.

Daca banii nu conteaza, ia-ti de-asta: http://www.be-loud.ro/produse/Amplificatoa...te/Punch_P2002/ tongue.gif



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post 28 Jul 2010, 23:23
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10 milioane 200 w? laugh.gif


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post 29 Jul 2010, 06:17
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http://marine.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=260

Ce-ar fi daca mi-as lua de proba un kit Alpine (ca amplifurile astea sint ok dpdv a intrarii high level) compus din T320 si 843BR sau 1043BR si daca nu-mi convine schimb?
Oferta cu 1043BR si T320 si kit instalare ar fi 750 posibil livrat gratuit acasa
Oferta cu 843BR si T320 si kit ar fi pina in 700...

29 Jul 2010, 13:20:
Ce parere aveti de aceste branduri:
http://www.powerbass.ro/index.php?goto=cat...category_id=126

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post 29 Jul 2010, 13:30
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http://www.vibeaudio.co.uk/products/amplifiers/

vezi daca iti place ceva de aici. Aduce George asa ceva si se aude ff bine


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post 29 Jul 2010, 14:13
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E niste baieti prin Focsani care comercializeaza/instaleaza aceste marci...nu stiu nimic despre ele insa omul a participat la multe prezentari de gen si are ceva rezultate...
Am vb si cu George...VIBE par niste bestii.Ma intreb cum ar suna astea doua:
http://www.vibeaudio.co.uk/products/subwoofers/slick-10/
http://www.vibeaudio.co.uk/products/amplifiers/slick-a7/
Sau incinta gata facuta de ei:
http://www.vibeaudio.co.uk/products/enclosures/slr-10/
Nu am inteles un lucru:chiar la amplificatoarele care au intrare high level e de preferat ca semnalul sa fie luat prin convertor din player sau nu?

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