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Schimbare lichid frana, ce sa utilizam, cam cat costa & alte detalii

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post 20 Nov 2010, 09:53
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salut.

deoarece informatiile gasite cu SEARCH erau cam imprastiate, va cer sfatul aici : ce lichid de frana ati folosit , daca ati schimbat cumva la reno, si cam cat a costat?
e bun ELF FREELUB, SAE J 1704, FMVSS 116 (DOT 4) ?

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post 20 Nov 2010, 10:20
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Eu am pus lichid de frana de la Reno, DOT 4 vezi pozele, cat despre pret nu stiu sa iti zic cat costa acum, eu l-am cumparat acum circa 2 ani de la Serus, undeva in jur la 20 de lei bidonasul.


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post 21 Nov 2010, 20:30
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O sa folosesc lichid de frana dot 4 marca ATE

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Il voi scimba la anu

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post 12 Dec 2010, 23:01
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Imi poate detalia cineva cum se poate schimba lichidul de frana? Merge facuta operatiunea acasa? Mersi.


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post 12 Dec 2010, 23:18
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Cumperi o seringa, desfaci capacul de la rezervorul de lichid si extragi tot ce e acolo, dupa care completezi pana la semn cu noul lichid. Asta ai de facut! La mine asa au procedat la revizie.


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post 12 Dec 2010, 23:22
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Super usor! o intrebare de nestiutor: cam la ce interval de timp se schimba lichidul de frana si 2. eu scot cu seringa tot ce e acolo, insa banuiesc ca mai ramane din lichid pe "instalatie" - ce se intampla cu acesta? [se amesteca cu cel nou si ... ?]


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post 12 Dec 2010, 23:30
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90 000 km sau 4 ani,
da ramane lichid pe instalatie si se amesteca, uite si un tabel cu intretinerile:intretinere.jpg ( Size: 1.91mb ) Number of downloads: 7126


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post 12 Dec 2010, 23:32
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super! masina mea are 5 anisori si cam 128.000 km. Nu am schimbat deloc lichidul, dar voi schimba situatia.
Ric, ai cumva manualul complet format pdf?
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post 12 Dec 2010, 23:33
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ric26ct, eu cred ca n-ai fost atent.

La mine, la revizie, au desfacut toate aerisitoarele si au completat cu lichid nou pana cand le aerisitoare nu curgea decat lichid curat.


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post 12 Dec 2010, 23:39
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ca sa scape rapid de masina, baga seringa ..se trage tot...si pe urma se completeaza..si aia este...repede ca trece timpul..

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post 12 Dec 2010, 23:40
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@RadulescuRomulus
nu nu il am, dar il gasesti pe forum daca il cauti atent.
@R19/16v
Iti garantez ca am vazut bine doar atata au facut, masina nici nu au ridicato pe elevator . Sa sti ca aici la Constanta nu numai preturile sunt diferite ci si modalitatile de manopera radmasa.gif


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post 13 Dec 2010, 00:58
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Ce ti-au facut tie nu este schimb de lichid .. este bataie de joc pe banii tai ...


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post 13 Dec 2010, 07:30
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Si eu am schimbat lichidul de frana prin vara, au desfacut toate aerisitoarele si au completat cu lichid nou in vas dupa care au dus masina la testul de frane.
Nu cred ca este suficient sa scoata doar lichidul vechi din vas, pe conducte si in pompa mai ramne o cantitate insemnata de lichid vechi (uzat).


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post 13 Dec 2010, 09:06
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QUOTE(RadulescuRomulus @ 12 Dec 2010, 23:32)
super! masina mea are 5 anisori si cam 128.000 km. Nu am schimbat deloc lichidul, dar voi schimba situatia.
  Ric, ai cumva manualul complet format pdf?
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La postul 8 am pus eu un scan partial cu intervalele si operatiile. Totodata, mai sus gasesti si tot manualul.


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post 13 Dec 2010, 11:36
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QUOTE(nonic @ 13 Dec 2010, 07:30)
au dus masina la testul de frane.
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Macar asta au facut si la mine. Eu vb din experinta proprie, am intrebat chiar si eu de ce nu se schimba tot, si au spus ca acea cantitate ramasa este imfim de mica deci nu afecteaza cu nimic pentru ca se va amesteca in timp. Ca si precizare operatiunea am facuto la Logan, dar nu cred ca se procedeaza altfel la megane.


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post 13 Dec 2010, 11:37
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Pai cantitatea aia nu circula. Lichidul ala tot acolo e, si tot la fel de jegos e.


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post 13 Dec 2010, 11:39
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problema in ce consta daca nu se schimba deloc ,ce se intampla


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post 13 Dec 2010, 11:41
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Se face ca marmelada isi pierde din proprietatile de a rezista la temepraturi mari, etc, etc ...


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post 13 Dec 2010, 11:42
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Ruginesc si se pot infunda cu mizerie diferite elemente ale sistemului de franare.


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post 13 Dec 2010, 11:43
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Probabil in timp isi mai pierde din proprietati iar franarea pierde din eficienta... este doar o presupunere... smile.gif si eu astept pareri avizate cu privire la acest aspect...


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post 13 Dec 2010, 11:45
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Pai da, lichidul de frana e higroscopic, strange apa. Asta duce la scaderea temperaturii de fierbere.

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post 13 Dec 2010, 11:46
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Nu degeaba este recomandata schimbarea lui la 4 ani ... la alti producatori de ex. VW recomandarea de schimbare este la 2 ani ..


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post 13 Dec 2010, 11:48
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Ca sa nu va mai stresati smile.gif cititi cu atentie titlul ... e vorba de inlocuire si nu de "improspatare" smile.gif ... sau ceva de genul. Vrei sa fie ok ... da-l afara pe cel "negru" si toarna-l pe cel nou ... Versiunea lui R19 trebuie sa o sustin deoarece am incercat-o si functioneaza perfect. OK, poate ca se consuma cu 100-200ml mai mult dar e ok smile.gif

Apropos ... pe ultima cutie de lichid de frana pe care am vazut-o scria destul de clar ca e valabil/bun 2 ani smile.gif

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post 13 Dec 2010, 11:50
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lichidul de frana isi pierde proprietatile hidraulice in momentul in care temperatura lui depaseste punctul de fierbere ori nu cred ca franeaza cineva asa energic (de regula la coborarea pe serpentine lungi).
O sa-l schimb ca asa scrie in cartea tehnica dar parerea mea este si ramane ca nu se justifica
Daca va scrie in manual ca peste 8 ani trebuie schimbata caroseria ?

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Se face ca marmelada isi pierde din proprietatile de a rezista la temepraturi mari, etc, etc ...
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Nu prea cred asta

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Hai sa nu exageram totusi smile.gif
Fiecare face ce si cum vrea ... toate sunt recomandari ... cel din clio nu era marmelada, dar pot spune ca era apa de culoare neagra ... fata de lichidul de frana nou, usor galbui si mai uleios asa.
Una peste alta face fiecare cum doreste smile.gif ... dar cititi instructiunile totusi smile.gif


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QUOTE(rombul @ 13 Dec 2010, 11:50)
Nu prea cred asta
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Sa crezi ... am patit la ultimul R25 ... care avea lichidul cam de 10 ani ... nu mai stiam de ce nu prinde frana calumea ... atentie ... nu am zis ca se face dupa 4 ani ... ci in timp ...

Comfirm si la Megane ceea ce zice Andrei ... lichidul dupa 6 ani era negru si nu mai parea deloc uleios


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post 13 Dec 2010, 12:00
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Brake fluids.


As mentioned elsewhere on the page, brake fluid does not compress. It's a good job too - if you put your foot on the brake pedal and it went all the way to the floor, you'd be worried. But that's exactly what can happen if you disregard the "health" of your brake fluid.
Brake fluid is hygroscopic - that means it attracts and soaks up water. This is why it comes in sealed containers when you buy it, and why when the crazy guy four doors down offers you some of the 15 gallons of brake fluid he's had in his garage since the war, you should turn him down. The problem with it being hygroscopic is that if it does start to take on water, Bad Things can happen. Pull up a chair and allow me to explain.
Your typical DOT 4 brake fluid (see later for DOT ratings) boils at about 446°F (230°C). Water boils at 212°F (100°C). Imagine your brakes are getting hot because of a long downhill stretch. Whilst the brake fluid is quite OK, the temperature of the brake components might get up over the boiling point of water. If that happens, the water boils out of the brake fluid and forms steam - a compressible gas. Next time you put your foot on the brake, rather than braking, all the pressure in the brake system is taken up with compressing the steam. Your brakes go out, you don't stop.
Getting a little more complex, the boiling point of a liquid goes up with its pressure (Physics 101). So when you step on the brake, the boiling point of the brake fluid might actually go up to 500°F (260°C) and the boiling point of the water content might raise up to 250°F (121°C). This is great, you might think, because now the boiling point is higher than the temperature of the brake fluid. At least it is until you take your foot off the brake again. Now the pressure in the system returns to normal, the boiling points revert to normal and instantly the water boils off into steam again. The symptoms are slightly different now. Under this scenario, the brakes work the first one or two times, but on the third or fourth press, they stop working because now the temperature and pressures have conspired to boil the water.
The worst possible scenario is brake-fade (see right at the top) combined with air in the system. If this has happened to you, then you're likely reading this page from beyond the grave, because in most accidents where weak brakes become no brakes, there aren't any survivors.


Read more: http://www.carbibles.com/brake_bible_pg2.html#ixzz17z6EH9Vq

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post 13 Dec 2010, 12:17
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QUOTE(rombul @ 13 Dec 2010, 11:39)
problema in ce consta daca nu se schimba deloc ,ce se intampla
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dupa 7 ani...nimic...franarea este foarte buna...o sa l schimb si eu la anul..nu l-am schimbat pt ca pur si simplu am omis treaba asta..la anul (peste 4 luni) discuri Ate+placute+lichid nou...


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QUOTE(M i h a i @ 13 Dec 2010, 12:17)
dupa 7 ani...nimic...franarea este foarte buna...o sa l schimb si eu la anul..nu l-am schimbat pt ca pur si simplu am omis treaba asta..la anul (peste 4 luni) discuri Ate+placute+lichid nou...
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este un lucru normal atat timp cat automobilul a fost exploatat in conditii normale,treaba cu marmelada nu prea o cred.


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Cunosc caz in care s-a schimbat pompa de ABS din cauza uleiului si a impuritatilor si a depunerilor . Nu este o investitie mare dar poate avea urmari foarte grave.


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