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Fum alb Clio 1.4 8V

maryval
post 13 Aug 2008, 14:49
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Salut!
De ceva vreme(1 saptamana si ceva) s-a intamplat ceva ciudat.
Am plecat cu masina de acasa si dupa vreo 2 km a inceput sa scoata fum pe teava de esapament (fum alb, mult fum). M-am speriat si am oprit masina. Am pornito din nou si la fel (scotea fum alb). Am lasat-o sa mai mearga putin, dupa care si-a revenit (nu mai scotea fum deloc). Mi-am continuat drumul si nimic (totul OK), si am mers vreo 150 km (OK).
Azi am plecat la servici si dupa vreo 4 km de mers a inceput sa scoata iar fum alb pe teava de esapament. Am iesit de la servici, am pornit masina si la fel (scotea fum alb, doar fum) am accelerato ceva timp dupa care a inceput sa se potoleasca (sa nu mai scoata fum), iar pana acasa nu a mai scos.
A mai patit cineva asa ceva???
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post 13 Aug 2008, 16:13
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cu nivelul la ulei cum stai,nu completezi din cand in cand?


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post 13 Aug 2008, 16:18
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Nivelul lichidului din vasul de expansiune? Oricum, daca se incingea motorul pana la a pune in pericol garnitura de chiulasa, semnaliza in bord.

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post 13 Aug 2008, 16:36
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Dar oare s-o fi uitat in bord?? Fum alb inseamna garnitura de chiuloasa de inlocuit.


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post 13 Aug 2008, 16:40
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dupa un search pe google am dat de posibile cauze:
garnitura chiuloasa
condens in toba
recomadare: la fel ca mai sus, verificare nivel de lichid in vasul de expansiune

plus un link dragutzel
http://2urbietorbi.wordpress.com/2008/04/1...-culoare-cauze/

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maryval
post 13 Aug 2008, 19:35
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Garnitura de chiuloasa am schimbat-o acum o luna.
Nivelul de lichid nu scade, si nici cel de la ulei nu s-a modifiat.
O sa vad ce se mai intampla si zilele urmatoare.
Astazi dupa ce am scris ce mi s-a intamplat am plecat cu masina in oras si nu s-a mai intamplat nimic.

13 Aug 2008, 20:38:
Apropo, fumul alb nu l-a scos dupa pornirea la rece ci dupa cativa km de mers.

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post 13 Aug 2008, 19:46
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Faza proasta e ca, de multe ori, inlocuirea garniturii de chiuloasa nu rezolva defectul care a dus la inlocuirea ei... Mai apare ceva: planeitatea chiuloasei, vreo fisura... Nu doresc sub nicio forma ca postarea mea sa fie alarmista. Multe succese!


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post 13 Aug 2008, 20:08
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Mda, mi-ai luat-o inainte...asa ca intreb si eu: care a fost motivul inlocuirii garniturii? Cu cat se dau mai multe detalii cu atat ne putem da si noi cu parerea smile.gif


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post 18 Aug 2008, 13:52
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Garnitura am schimbat-o pt ca pierdeam lichid de racire, si nu stiam pe unde. Am desfacut motorul si am gasit garnitura ciupita (in consecinta am schimbat-o). La o saptamana dupa ce am schimbat garnitura a inceput sa scoata fum, dar nu mereu si nu la pornire (in timp ce merg cu masina, dupa cativa km).
Astazi am gasit toate bujiile ude si ulei in filtrul de aer (bujiile sunt noi BERU si nu am mers cu ele decat 4000 km).


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post 27 Aug 2008, 14:22
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din ce zici tu pare sa fie chiulasa sau garnitura de chiulasa sa nu fie perfect etansa
te-as sfatui sa faci si un schimb de ulei, e posibil, ca la un moment dat sa fie peste nivel = fum alb, mult


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post 28 Aug 2008, 09:42
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Daca ar fi de la ulei peste nivel ar scoate fum albastru nu alb.


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post 3 Sep 2008, 14:06
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Salut, am revenit... Am rezolvat problema cu fumul.
Si acum ce s-a intamplat:
Acel "meserias" care mi-a schimbat garnitura de chiuloasa nu a facut ce trebuia, adica nu a pus chiuloasa bine si de aici au inceput problemele.
Am fost cu masina in service si am desfacut chiuloasa si surpriza - chiuloasa nu era stransa cum trebuie si mai inversase si doua prezoane scurt cu cel lung sad.gif
Urmari: chiuloasa ovalizata, garnituri supape duse si ulei peste tot sad.gif mad.gif sad.gif
Am rectificat chiuloasa, am schimbat garniturile de la supape, garnitura chiuloasa, kit distributie, ulei, filtru de ulei, filtru de aer, segmenti sad.gif sad.gif
Si acum preturi:
- ulei elf 5w40 = 108
- filtru ulei = 25
- garnitura chiuloasa (nu mai stiu ce marca) = 60
- rectificat chiuloasa = 150
- kit distributie = 185
- filtru aer = 26
- segmenti GOETZE (LOGAN 1.6) = 155
- set garnituri supape (SOLENZA) = 48
- MANOPERA = 300

TOTAL = 1057
Si acum sunt fericit smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif
Singura mea nedumerire este: DE CE S-AU POTRIVIT SEGMENTII DE LOGAN 1.6 (SEGMENTII DE LOGAN 1.4, SOLENZA, SUPER NOVA NU S-AU POTRIVIT). Mecanicu care a reparat masina a spus ca pe capacul motorului scria 1.6 L ???

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post 3 Sep 2008, 18:26
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Nu esti primul care semnaleaza aceasta potrivire!!

http://www.reno.ro/Curea-distributie-acces...t92252-s95.html

Dupa mine singura diferenta intre cele 2 motoare ar fi cursa pistonului... wink.gif

In rest, scumpa distractia daca iti lasi masina pe mana "unui meserias"...dar bine ca acum esti fericit! smile.gif


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post 4 Sep 2008, 07:39
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Si totusi nu inteleg de ce ai schimbat segmentii?
De la o simpla garnitura de chiuloasa ai ajuns sa segmentezi motorul?


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post 4 Sep 2008, 07:46
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"meseriasul" care ti-a facut lucrarea era un meserias anonim, angajat al unui service oarecare, sau era un "meserias" din celebrele serviceuri renault?


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post 4 Sep 2008, 16:47
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QUOTE(cristib @ 4 Sep 2008, 07:46)
...sau era un "meserias" din celebrele serviceuri renault?
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Numai tu si cu inca vreo doi de pe forumul asta puteti crede asa ceva, voi va reparati masina la "adevaratii meseriasi" icon_mrgreen.gif

meserias anomin... radmasa.gif


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post 7 Sep 2008, 11:20
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... deja ma dor ochii. blink.gif
se scrie/citeste CHIULASA - bucata aia de metal care se monteaza deasupra cilindrilor.


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post 9 Sep 2008, 15:16
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daca "era meseriasi adevarati" in service renault happy.gif si nu anomimi trebuiau sa ii ofere garantie pe lucrare/manopera

KATANA poti folosi visine

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post 9 Sep 2008, 19:55
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QUOTE(KATANA @ 7 Sep 2008, 12:20)
... deja ma dor ochii.  blink.gif
se scrie/citeste CHIULASA
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CHIULOASA....


hellcat....corect:ar putea diferi cursa pistonului si atunci,automat, ai alt rap de compresie.....oare si alta cilindee wacko.gif ohmy.gif de ce mai difera si segmentii la diametru? baiatu de mai sus zicea ca aia de 1,4 nu se potrivesc......

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post 9 Sep 2008, 20:17
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Mda...tu ce zici e bine...dar recitind, maryval nu zice nimic de diametru...poate era vorba de grosime icon_mrgreen.gif
Si eu as fi curios sa aflu exact despre ce-i vorba, cum se explica astfel de "potriviri"...si chiar mai sunt angajati de pe la inceputurile Reno...dar sunt extrem de secretosi, nu scoti mai nimic de la ei sad.gif

Intradevar, piesa care "inchide" cilindrii unui motor ii zice CHIULASA (in franceza culasse), dar...romanul s-a invatat sa zica si chiuloasa.


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Sobolane, corect e chiulasa!


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post 9 Sep 2008, 21:22
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oki...mea culpa...


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post 21 Nov 2008, 10:04
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Salut
De vreo luna am o problema la pornirea unui Renault Clio 1.4 8v RNA din 2000.
Problema se manifesta la cateva ore cu motorul oprit. In momentul cand o pornesc bineinteles la a doua cheie (nici vorba sa porneasca la prima cheie) motorul porneste in 3 si merge asa aproximativ 1 minut. Totodata pana se incalzeste motorul scoate foarte mult fum albastrui spre alb. Decand am inceput sa am aceasta problema am observat ca imi dispare destul de mult antigel din borcan ( aproximativ 1 l la 2 saptamani). Am schimbat bujiile, fisele si schimbarea s-a observat doar in prima zi cand totul mergea in conditii normale dupa care problema a revenit.

Masina are 110.000 KM si toate consumabilele au fost schimbate la timp.

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post 21 Nov 2008, 10:09
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Salut,
Si scurgeri de antigel se pot observa pe undeva ? ca daca nu ... as spune garnitura chiulasa sad.gif . Anul asta a fost schimbata distributia la 8 ani ? sau urmeaza sau ... ?


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post 21 Nov 2008, 10:11
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Scurgeri de antigel nu se observa pe nicaieri mai ales ca o tin in garaj si s-ar observa dupa ce o scot dimineata. Distributia a fost schimbata anul trecut la 68.000 KM

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post 21 Nov 2008, 10:27
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Intre timp ai mai scos vreo bujie de curiozitate sa vezi cum arata ?


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post 21 Nov 2008, 11:06
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A doua si a treia bujie pareau umede dar nu parea a fi ulei. E posibil cumva sa fie lichid de racire??? unsure.gif

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intra antigel la motor. e fro garnitura belita.


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post 21 Nov 2008, 11:29
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Ideea ca m-am uitat si la nivelul din baie si intradevar se vede ca imi scade nivelul de ulei dar nici urma de antigel ( s-au cel putin asa se pare). E posibil cumva sa fie vreo garnitura dar sa nu patrunda apa in baie?

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post 21 Nov 2008, 11:40
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Mai ... iti scade nivelul de lichid de racire sau de ulei sau ambele pana la urma ? ... garnitura chiulasa


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