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post 12 Sep 2008, 14:38
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Pana una alta, in configuratorul de pe reno.fr nu exista decat un V6 dci de 130kW.


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post 12 Sep 2008, 19:41
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citeam ca unul din pacatele c5-ului e faptul ca e foarte grea, chestie ce penalizeaza performantele dinamice. Oricum eu astept sa vad c5-ul pe strada, sper ca in romania sa aiba amandoua succes.


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post 12 Sep 2008, 20:31
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Intradevar, C5 este mai mare ca L3 la toate categoriile. Lungime, latime, inaltime, ampatament ... cu un cx de 0.29 si repartitia maselor 63%/37%. Fata de vechiul C5 are 300-400kg in plus. Masina se apropie de 1900kg si raportul masa/volum este pe portocaliu spre rosu ...

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post 12 Sep 2008, 21:12
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2.2 hdi Exclusive cu h3+ are 1733 kg.
Greu bolovanul...

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post 12 Sep 2008, 21:36
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V6 HDi 208 BVA FAP break ... cu cateva kg peste 1800 ...


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post 12 Sep 2008, 21:41
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Aha, l-ai gasit pe cel mai greu.

Siteu' francezului e jos la departamentul C5 iar la .ro nu exista specificatii pentru V6 HDi, si am luat si eu ce am gasit smile.gif


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post 12 Sep 2008, 21:46
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ENGINE TYPE - SALOON

1.8i 16V BVM 1510Kg
2.0i 16V BVM 1521Kg
2.0i 16V BVA 1583Kg
3.0i V6 BVA 1725Kg
HDi 110 BVM FAP 1503Kg
HDi 138 BVM FAP 1608Kg
HDi 138 BVA FAP 1658Kg
HDi 173 BVM FAP 1729Kg
V6 HDi 208 BVA FAP 1766Kg

ENGINE TYPE - TOURER

1.8i 16V BVM 1549Kg
2.0i 16V BVM 1578Kg
2.0i 16V BVA 1619Kg
3.0i V6 BVA 1761Kg
HDi 110 BVM FAP 1537Kg
HDi 138 BVM FAP 1655Kg
HDi 138 BVA FAP 1695Kg
HDi 173 BVM FAP 1765Kg
V6 HDi 208 BVA FAP 1802Kg

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post 12 Sep 2008, 21:52
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Grea.

L3 hatch incepe de la 1355 si termina la 1492 iar breakul incepe de la 1390 si termina la 1513.

E drept ca se termina intr-un 2.0dci, nu V6 biturbo... Dar nu cred ca motorul il trage pe C5 in jos.

Dar, cum spuneai chiar tu mai sus, daca nu ma insel, C5 sta mult mai bine la izolare fonica, care e grea, nici suspensia hidraulica nu e foarte usoara...


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post 12 Sep 2008, 21:59
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nice ... in poza de la turbina au desenat si voletii de la geometria variabila

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post 12 Sep 2008, 22:07
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Un cgi facut cu simt de raspundere biggrin.gif


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post 13 Sep 2008, 11:35
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QUOTE(R19/16v @ 12 Sep 2008, 22:07)
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Mai degraba e luat din modelul CAD, CATIA sau PRO/E sau Inventor


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post 14 Sep 2008, 13:36
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Oare cand va folosi si Renault atatea materiale la insonorizare? 2020? Daca mai exista pana atunci ... radmasa.gif


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post 14 Sep 2008, 13:57
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O sa vina Carlos cu o idee geniala pentru o imbunatatire radicala a insonorizarii.

Hm....sa zicem ca eliminam sursa zgomotelor...scoatem motorul!


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post 14 Sep 2008, 14:00
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bine ... alea sunt de la un merț, dar macar jumatate ...


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post 14 Sep 2008, 14:02
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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 14 Sep 2008, 13:36)
Oare cand va folosi si Renault atatea materiale la insonorizare? 2020? Daca mai exista pana atunci ...  radmasa.gif
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nu am stat intr-o laguna in timp ce mergea insa chiar asa de proasta o fi laguna dpdv al izolarii fonice? Si ma refer la rezultatul final si cat e de vizibil pentru pasagerii masinii


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post 14 Sep 2008, 14:07
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Nu stiu cum e L3 dar am mers intr-un L2 de 2.0 benzina si mi s-a parut foarte silentioasa. Ma gandesc ca L3 nu are cum sa stea mai prost la capitolul asta.

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Bine, alea-s de la un Classe S.

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A se observa pasla la un Mercedes destul de nou.


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post 14 Sep 2008, 16:22
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[quote=IRONICK,14 Sep 2008, 14:14]
Bine, alea-s de la un Classe S.

Si de cand e Laguna in clasa cu S Klasse ca sa le compari?

Cu cat e mai silentios C5 decat Laguna? Cum influenteaza zgomotul mai mare al Lagunei vorbitul in soapta? Cu cat trebuie sa ridic vocea ca sa ma aud cu cealalta/celalat la fel ca in interiorul unui C5? Astept cu interes raspunsul tau, IRONICK.


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post 14 Sep 2008, 16:24
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Bai frate eu nu inteleg de ce cand critici o masina sare cate unu de parca teai luat de mamica lui.Parca sunteti muieri nu barbati.Ma rog..baieti.


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QUOTE(Modus @ 14 Sep 2008, 17:22)
Cu cat e mai silentios C5 decat Laguna? Cum influenteaza zgomotul mai mare al Lagunei vorbitul in soapta? Cu cat trebuie sa ridic vocea ca sa ma aud cu cealalta/celalat la fel ca in interiorul unui C5? Astept cu interes raspunsul tau, IRONICK.
Asteapta-l ... radmasa.gif
Programele alea derulate de Renault (Venus, Mars si Harmonie) nu prea se vad pe L3.

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post 14 Sep 2008, 16:59
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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 14 Sep 2008, 16:33)
Programele alea derulate de Renault (Venus, Mars si Harmonie) nu prea se vad pe L3.
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Si cat timp ai condus tu ma rog Laguna III ca sa afirmi asa ceva? Practic, explica-ne de ce este Laguna o masina proasta.


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post 14 Sep 2008, 17:00
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Tu macar stii despre ce vorbesc eu? Daca tu explici cu lux de amanunte rezultatele programelor, eu explic de ce nu se simt pe L3.

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Si cum orice sut in fund pe care il primesti este un pas inainte, incep eu. Ai auzit de gri-gri, bourdonnement, cloc-cloc, grailonnement, bruit de césures? Asta ca sa vorbesc tot pe limba Renault.

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post 14 Sep 2008, 23:21
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Sunt curios cat de mult conduci tu L3 de intri in detalii atat de adanci tongue.gif
Iar aceea nu e doar limba Renault, ci si limba lui C5, dar am uitat, el pentru tine nu are defecte.


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Eu nu sunt curios de nimic. Dar in schimb atunci cand afirm cate ceva o fac si cu ceva explicatii. Spre deosebire de tine, care nu treci de nivelul unui vanzator de taraba.

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Incearca totusi sa imi raspunzi la ce te-am intrebat eu mai sus. Asa ca sa dovedesti ca tu ai condus L3 si stii mai multe decat mine.

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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 15 Sep 2008, 08:24)
Eu nu sunt curios de nimic. Dar in schimb atunci cand afirm cate ceva o fac si cu ceva explicatii. Spre deosebire de tine, care nu treci de nivelul unui vanzator de taraba.

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Incearca totusi sa imi raspunzi la ce te-am intrebat eu mai sus. Asa ca sa dovedesti ca tu ai condus L3 si stii mai multe decat mine.
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Am sa raspund eu bazandu-ma pe un test comparativ intre Laguna 3 si C5.Si am sa te rog sa studiezi capitolul zgomot.Testul e facut de nemti deci nu este nici un parti pris .Subiectiv eu am mers cu amandoua(L3 in ro si C5 la un drive test in Austria).Crede-ma ca nu e nici o diferenta.Cel putin sesizabila.Respect cheers.gif

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[quote=IRONICK,15 Sep 2008, 07:24]
Spre deosebire de tine, care nu treci de nivelul unui vanzator de taraba.

E cam greu sa trec de un standard impus de tine.


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Desi nu prea ma fascineaza de fel Renault-urile pot sa va impartasesc urmatorele: imi place Laguna 2 ca masina. Am avut ocazi sa conduc un diesel si mi-a lasat o impresie foarte buna (pe vremea aia nu aveam Skoda). Imi place mult si ca design exterior si comportament de drum. Este o masina care face toti banii. Despre C5: am avut ocazia sa conduc dar nu imi place pe afara. E urata in draci (parerea mea) si in concluzie nu mi-as lua neam. Laguna 3 nu am avut ocazia sa o conduc; am observat-o prin trafic; dupa parerea mea linii futuriste, design oarecum agresiv; ca si design are ceva din Velsatis dar per ansamblu mie mi se pare urata asa cum urata mi se pare noul Superb 2008 ca si design.

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Tu vorbesti de noul C5 sau de ala vechi cand zici ca e urata in draci?

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c5-ul cu facelift chiar ca e urat cu draci. Insa ala primul fara facelift... doamne ce bine poate sa arate masina aia :inlove:

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post 15 Sep 2008, 23:22
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C5 are un design orientat mai degraba spre limuzina, e distins, sobru, impunator.
Laguna mi se pare ca joaca mai degraba cartea unui dinamism rasat.
Ambele au o filososfie diferita a designului, ambele sunt foarte frumoase.


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