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LAGUNA 2.0 IDE, INFO

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post 24 Mar 2007, 17:05
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AM CUMPARAT DE 2 ZILE O LAGUNA CU MOTOR 2.0 IDE PE BENZINA DIN FRANTA. NU STIU CHIAR NIMIC DESPRE TIPUL ASTA DE MOTOR. MA POATE AJUTA CINEVA CU INFORMATII ? ph34r.gif MOTOR F5R


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post 24 Mar 2007, 17:27
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E un motor supereconomic la drum intins, are injectie separata pe fiecare cilindru, e un motor euro 4 care functioneaza bine doar cu benzina de f. buna calitate. Imi place Vel Satisul din poze, pacat ca are tapiteria scaunului sofer deteriorata.


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post 24 Mar 2007, 17:30
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Renault’s IDE (Injection Direct Essence)

Renault launched the first European direct injection petrol engine. It avoids the troubles encountered by Mitsubishi by implementing in a completely different way.

Instead of pursuing ultra-lean air / fuel mixture, they adopt ultra-high EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation). EGR, as mentioned here before, reduces fuel consumption by reducing pumping loss as well as by reducing the effective engine capacity during light or part load. At the lightest load, Renault’s IDE engine enables as much as 25% EGR compare with conventional car’s 10-15%.

How can IDE engine run at 25% EGR without failing to combust ? Thanks to the direct injection, which is at the center of the cylinder head in place of spark plug. The latter is relocated to the side nearby, very close to the injector outlet. The Siemens injector injects high pressure fuel (at 100 bar or 1450 psi) directly to the combustion chamber. As the inclined spark plug locates just at the path of the fuel spray, successful combustion is guaranteed even at 25% exhaust gas in the chamber.

Without the precise direct injection, conventional engines pulverize the fuel spray in the induction port thus enter the combustion chamber uniformally. As a result it is impossible to concentrate more fuel to the spark plug.

Depends on engine load, IDE runs at one of the 3 preset EGR ratios, among which the full load mode has no exhaust gas recirculation at all for the need of maximum power. Therefore, like GDI, running at full load saves no fuel. However, overall speaking Renault claims 16% reduction of fuel comsumption in real world, that is, according to the European test method. Well done.

Another to note is the enhance of performance. The 1998 c.c. engine output a solid 140 hp and a class-beating 148 lbft. As a comparison, the non-IDE but variable valve timing-equipped version output the same 140 hp but merely 139 lbft of torque. Not even the VVT matches the IDE.

Gain in performance is due to the increase of compression ratio to an unusually high 11.5 : 1 (GDI is even at 12.5 : 1). Like the Mitsubishi, a pre-injection in prior to the normal injection helps cooling the combustion chamber, thus raising knock resistance and enables a higher compression ratio.


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post 24 Mar 2007, 18:05
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QUOTE(traffictours @ 24 Mar 2007, 18:27)
E un motor supereconomic la drum intins, are injectie separata pe fiecare cilindru, e un motor euro 4 care functioneaza bine doar cu benzina de f. buna calitate. Imi place Vel Satisul din poze, pacat ca are tapiteria scaunului sofer deteriorata.
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masina e de vanzare. nu stiu ce se vede in poza dar in realitate chiar nu e deteriorata. e super ok

[imi poate spune cineva de ce sa renuntat la producerea sau ma rog echiparea modelelor renault cu motoare f5r 2.0 ide ? excl.gif


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post 24 Mar 2007, 20:39
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Fiindca nu erau fiabile se pare.


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post 24 Mar 2007, 21:07
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wub.gif are cineva idee un r velsatis fabricatie 2005 ,motor 2,2 dci /150 cp, ce norma de poluare are ? euro 3 sau 4 ?


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post 24 Mar 2007, 21:13
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La RAR ce ti-au zis?


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post 24 Mar 2007, 21:14
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Poti sa-mi spui si mie din ce parc auto din Franta sunt pozele?


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post 24 Mar 2007, 21:18
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post 24 Mar 2007, 21:20
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nu am ajuns la rar cu ea. miercuri ajung cu ea in tara


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post 24 Mar 2007, 21:34
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Daca e acelasi motor ca cel de pe modelele din 2003 atunci e euro 3, dar e greu de stiut sigur pana nu se verifica unde se incadreaza codul motorului (specificatiile euro 3 sau 4). Depinde si cand a fost fabricat pt. ca prin aprilie 2005 Vel Satis-ului i s-a operat un face-lift. Daca tot esti in Franta intreaba acolo, eu chiar as plati o consultanta acolo pentru ca aici poti avea surpriza sa ti-l scoata euro 3 chiar daca e euro 4(eu asa am patit de 2 ori dar era inainte de 01.01.2007 si nu avea nici o importanta d.p.d. vedere al taxelor)


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post 24 Mar 2007, 22:28
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sper sa nu ma intepe pungasii dela r a r


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post 24 Mar 2007, 23:22
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Pai in brief nu are codul motorului? Vezi care-i terminatia la serie.

Intrebam cum se numeste dealerul ala din Lyon.

Cum ti s-au parut preturile la aia?


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post 24 Mar 2007, 23:28
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Pe certificatele din Franta nu figureaza codul motorului, nici norma de poluare, doar un nr. de identificare de-al lor(tip mine-are directa legatura cu minele de carbuni, cand a inceput criza miniera la ei, statul francez le-a atribuit serviciul de omologare atunci, si asa a ramas numele, omologare tip mine)

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post 24 Mar 2007, 23:46
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autoppole - centre occasion
preturi acceptabile la unele modele . au preturi speciale ptr export,dar nu vand decat la societati comerciale. aceeasi masina ptr ei costa cu cel putin 10 % mai mult.


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post 25 Mar 2007, 00:02
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Ii stiu, e si o romanca acolo, Liliana Arim, care se ocupa de export, dar au masinile cam alergate, rar gasesti ceva cu "faible kilometrage"


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post 25 Mar 2007, 00:04
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rar la preturi bune ca altfel au masini beton la preturi exorbitante


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post 23 Jan 2008, 19:23
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Azi am fost la RAR si mi-au incadrat Laguna din 2002 cu motorul 2.0 IDE (F5R700) la norma de poluare euro 3. Mai are cineva acelasi model, eventual omologata euro 4, asa cum am vazut mai multe informatii pe forum. Sunt tare curios daca se mai poate face ceva sa scap de incadrarea respectiva si sa mai reduc din taxa de prima inmatriculare?


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post 24 Jan 2008, 13:39
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Motorul de 2.2 DCI 150 CP este EURO 3 (asa scrie in prospectul de la RCI leasing)
Se gaseste si la Laguna fabricata in 2007. Doar motorul 2.0 DCI 150CP este EURO 4.


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post 24 Jan 2008, 14:06
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Uita-te pe tabelul asta

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post 24 Jan 2008, 17:55
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Am avut tabelul respectiv cu mine cand am fost la RAR. Chiar in doua variante, cea in franceza cu specificarea Euro 4, si una in germana cu specificarea Euro 2005, impreuna cu un comunicat de presa al Renault din septembrie 2001, cand au hotarit dotarea Laguna cu motorul respectiv, in care se preciza ca este imediat compatibil (motorul respectiv) cu normele euro 4 din 2005, cu conditia sa fie folosit un tip anume de convertizor. Oare sa nu mai fi folosit Renault respectivul convertizor, ori baza de date a RAR e de toata jena?
Oricum, dupa ce ca am obtinut rezultatul nedorit, am asteptat si toata ziua de ieri la sediul RAR din Constanta. Dupa ce am trecut de linia de verificare din hala si ceva vreme in sala de asteptare pentru formalitati birocratice, am asteptat aproape patru ore numai pentru raspunsul asta, privind norma de poluare in care se incadreaza, care vine de la Bucuresti.
Habar nu am cum se stabileste acest lucru, daca ar fi fost hotarit la Constanta, poate as fi insistat sa i-mi explice careva cum au facut, dar asa...
M-am dat batut, 700 euro diferenta la taxa, dar cu cine sa te bati?
Am zis sarut-mana ca am scapat, mai erau si altii care erau la a doua infatisare pe acolo.


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