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calinormy
post 16 Feb 2008, 07:59
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Sunt posesor de twingo. masina adusa din Germania acum un an. Arcuri rosii, (sport), amortizoare originale renault, garda la sol joasa. Am luat o gura de canal neridicata in centrul Clujului. Atat de tare incat mi-a decuplat electronic alimentarea cu benzina, si asta la o viteza de cca 35-40 km/ora. Tot timpul am simtit " frica" de a nu lovi cu baia. Am schimbat dupa cateva luni arcurile...am ridicat masina cu cca. 8-10 cm. Am parcurs drumuri imposibile pt orice masina normala ( drumul lui Antonescu, legatura din Albac cu Mariselul - drum pietruit in al doilea razboi mondial) fara nici o problema. In schimb, pe E60 ( Cluj - Oradea) aceleasi curbe le parcurg la o viteza cu cca 20 km/h mai mica decat atunci cand masina era joasa. Din punctul meu de vedere.... PDG este f util in RO, daca nu vrei sa mergi numai pe drumuri nationale/europene si/sau autotrada..dar implica o scadere a " Sigurantei" (resimtite de catre sofer). Acum , dupa cum vad eu treba..un Megane cu PDG si ESP nu poate fi mai putin sigur decat unul fara PDG si fara ESP. Cred ca totul tine de senzatia oferita de masina ( in care intervine si tipul de scaune, de exemplu). Iar din punctul de vedere al aspectului... daca schimbi jentile, de exemplu, aspectul masinii se poate schimba total. Chiar senzatia de cocotare dispare daca diametrul jentii e mai mare cu 1 toll si schimbi jentile de tabla cu unele de aliaj usor.


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post 16 Feb 2008, 10:10
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QUOTE(calinormy @ 16 Feb 2008, 07:59)
Chiar senzatia de cocotare dispare daca diametrul jentii e mai mare cu 1 toll si schimbi jentile de tabla cu unele de aliaj usor.
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Din proprie experienta iti spun ca nu dispare. Nu are cum sa scada distanta intre roti si aripi pentru ca diamentrul total ar rotilor trebuie sa fie acelasi indiferent de diamentrul jantei (17", 18" etc). Cred ca si eu ma voi schimba suspensia cat de curand.


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post 17 Feb 2008, 09:53
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eu as include in pachetul de drumuri grele ptr Romania si senilele


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post 17 Feb 2008, 15:27
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QUOTE(calinormy @ 16 Feb 2008, 07:59)
ridicat masina cu cca. 8-10 cm.


hai sa fim rezonabili totusi. mai ai putin si o faci nissan patrol. cele mai rele suspensii sport ofera o scadere de 60 de mm. de aici si pana la 10 cm e cale lunga.


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post 19 Feb 2008, 11:50
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Astazi, dintr-o mica neatentie, intr-o parcare printr-un colt nefericit al Bucurestiului, am cazut cu roata dreapta fata intr-un canal...datorita PDG-ului, am scapat fara nici o dauna....e drept, am avut noroc ca roata eradoar o idee mai mare decat canalul...rolleyes.gif

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post 19 Feb 2008, 16:22
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Daca roata era mai mare ca diametru decat canalul, inseamna ca Black Beauty n-a avut de suferit...
Ci numai soferul a avut parte de o sperietura zdravana...
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post 19 Feb 2008, 19:12
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a scapat.gif Din fericire "Black Beauty" blush.gif nu a patiti absolut nimic...era un canal exact langa trotuar (nu de genul celor rotunde) pe care aparent nu l-am vazut, ci doar am simtit cand am cazut in el...insa roata era cu 2cm maimare decat deschiderea canalului...daca nu era echipa cu PDG patea destul de multe... rolleyes.gif oricum, de schimbat, tot schimb suspensia...bine totusi ca nu a venit la timp (saptamana trecuta) si mai intarzie vreo 2 saptamani. wink.gif


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post 19 Feb 2008, 19:16
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j.d. eeeeee te mai bate gandul s adai scutul jos - traim totusi in romania -canale avem nu ducem lipsa - astept s avad cum o sa arate un sedane cu suspensia modificata - cred ca mult mai bine - bafat la modificat


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post 19 Feb 2008, 19:18
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Sincer...preferam sa-i sparg baia de ulei sau sa-i sparg bara acuma decat sa fi mers un an de zile cu ea cocotata...radmasa.gif


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post 23 Mar 2008, 22:35
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am si eu o intrebare, daca stie cineva.
Megane-ul meu este din 2004 , deci 2.1, vreau sa ii pun scut metalic, problema care se pune este : un scut de pe 2.2 se potriveste si la a mea? ca ma bate gandul sa sun pe la dezmembrari.. ca astia la renault ... stiim cum sunt...
din cate am inteles, cel de metal e mai scurt decat cel de plastic, cel de metal montandu-se PESTE cel de plastic...


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post 25 Mar 2008, 20:04
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post 25 Mar 2008, 20:25
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este exact acelasi scut ca cel din plastic, se potriveste de nu are aer
a montat un coleg de la mine de la munca
deci poti sa-ti montezi fara grija


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post 19 Apr 2008, 19:15
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Am citit toata discutia si nu m-am lamurit. PDG aduce si alte amortiozare sau nu?


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post 19 Apr 2008, 20:01
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Da, sunt alte amortizoare la PDG. wink.gif


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post 19 Apr 2008, 21:12
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QUOTE(j.d @ 19 Feb 2008, 11:50)
Astazi, dintr-o mica neatentie, intr-o parcare printr-un colt nefericit al Bucurestiului, am cazut cu roata dreapta fata intr-un canal...datorita PDG-ului, am scapat fara nici o dauna....e drept, am avut noroc ca roata eradoar o idee mai mare decat canalul...rolleyes.gif
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Exact - pdg rulllz!!! (marea majoritatea a cazuri8lor!) tongue.gif


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post 19 Apr 2008, 21:20
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post 19 Apr 2008, 22:40
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Eu in schimb...nu. Aia a fost singura data cand mi-a fost util PDG-ul...dar daca as fi putut face schimb, as fi preferat sa sparg bara, baia de ulei sau eu stiu mai ce decat sa fi avut PDG impins pe gat. wink.gif


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post 19 Apr 2008, 22:43
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PDG-ul este practic, mai ales pentru un oras ca Bucuresti-ul, dar eu pe Megane, fiind II.1, nu am, si nu am atins niciodata nimic, deci se poate sa ai suspensii ok si fara sa arate masina a un mini-monster-truck tongue.gif

Iti ofera in schimb o senzatie de barca aiurea rau de tot in curbe, si aspectul la Megane e cam aiurea.

Singurele Reno-uri care arata cat de cat ok cu PDG sunt Megane Estate (are asa, putin aspect de Allroad tongue.gif) si Scenic (fiind mai inalt, arata mai ok)... Dar si astea arata mult mai bine fara...

In schimb Megane-ul Sedan, Hatch, Clio III, etc.. eu zic ca sunt prea ridicate. Si din spate mai ales se vad ciudat. Si repet, eu nu am PDG si nici nu consider ca e necesar, trebuia sa ramana decat un optional.


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post 27 Jul 2008, 12:02
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Deci, pana la urma PDG-ul ce contine?
si, cat costa sa fie montat?


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post 27 Jul 2008, 12:24
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Suspensie inaltata si scut de metal, de pretul suspensiei nu stiu nimic scutul parca era 4 - 5 milioane.
Dar tu nu ai PDG?

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post 27 Jul 2008, 13:12
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noop. Am doar PTF (pachetul troncanit fata) biggrin.gif


In legatura cu scutul metalic ... daca ma incordez un pic ...mi-l confectionez singur.

In afara de suspensia inaltata mai este ceva schimbat bielete, bucsi etc?

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post 27 Jul 2008, 13:21
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Dar cum nu ai PDG? De unde ti-ai luat saden-ul?

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post 27 Jul 2008, 16:17
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ssilviu e 2.1 1,6 16v PA luat in 2006. Daca ar fi sa am PDG cum imi dau seama? (scuze daca s-a mai discutat) (in curbe e destul de teapana)

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eu am renuntat la PDG...cum spuneam mai de mult in favoarea bilstein B12.. biggrin.gif
Si nu pot spune decat k sunt foarte incantat. Daca cineva doreste amortizoarele si arcurile care completeaza PDG, acestea au trait pe masina mea 30 000 de km si sunt de vanzare... desi nu vad de ce si-ar dori cineva... icon_mrgreen.gif


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post 27 Jul 2008, 23:39
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Daca arata ridicol, are PDG...wink.gif

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post 28 Jul 2008, 00:21
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mai tehnic si mai putin in termeni subiectivi?


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post 28 Jul 2008, 00:28
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Daca e model cu facelift cumparat din Romania are PDG.


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post 28 Jul 2008, 11:03
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Foarte tehnica explicatia Silviule. tongue.gif


La PDG difera asa: arcurile spate sunt mai mari decat cele de la o masina fara PDG, arcurile fata sunt identice insa difera amortizoarele atat fata cat si spate. Happy? biggrin.gif


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post 28 Jul 2008, 11:15
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Si scut din metal.. tongue.gif am mai gasit si eu ''o tentativa de topic'' biggrin.gif

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