Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+ 100.000 de km cu Dacia Logan MCV 1,5 dCi, Test de anduranta fara nici un defect by ams.de

Tocmai ce s-a incheiat un test de anduranta, facut de ams germania, cu un logan mcv 1.5 dci. Nu a avut nici o defectiune, ceea ce e imbucurator.. Traducere via babelfish, articolul original il gasiti aici: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/dauerte...ci-1327576.html irst air we the secret, why the Dacia Logan MCV looks as new nearly still like 100,000 kilometers inside and outside: It is because of the fact that hard plastics, which its sober Interieur forms does not wear itself out, and its body Design remarkable beauty - which is considered as passing - avoids. Beginning of lasting for the Dacia Logan MCV Beauty it does not concern also, when the MCV lasted in February 2007 starts. Separate around the question, how it creates the cheap car over the long distance. It is cheap however only after the base price of 8.400 euro today is it 100 more. Because the combination does not have then however times a power steering, the sum for the test car rises by the choice of the equipment variant Laureate in the group with the 68-PS-Turbodiesel and extra like the third seat row, Radio/CD, air conditioning system, aluminum wheels and Metallic to 15,000 euros. (The Dacia Logan in the single test) Who likes, can calculate, how much was earlier. It changes however nothing in the fact that there is at present no other car, which has a similarly minted talent at this price seven passengers to accommodate or a whole herd of ageweak washing machines to the valuable material yard to trucks. The MCV does not disappoint, because none expects itself more from it and he promises nothing else as high-pragmatic and unpretentious mobility. And it changes aspects nevertheless: Two, three days at the piece with it are sufficient to the realization gain that it does not have to be more cars actually. The engine of the Dacia Logan MCV could be stronger On the routes with the Logan one can concern oneself much with driving, because nothing diverts from it. Few that there at functions, is really one uses. Nothing is to be adjusted, with it to be only adjusted leaves itself. That is valid even for the modest audio plant. It krächzt with the sound strength of a radio bell, but because of wheel from, which the engine organized starting from speed 130, a better sound system would be anyway wasted. Somewhat more Kraft against it would not harm. The road performances of the 1,5-Liter-Diesels do not work completely subjectively so phlegmatisch, as they are after the measured values. Maximally 1,860 Kilos of Logan make excessive demands of 68 HP however: “When driving off I always thought, which was emergency brake attraction”, writes colleague Hans Jörg Götzl in the trip book - with a journey however, on whatever the MCV beside the family of five family Götzl still another camping equipment and a Klepper folding boat kutschiert. The Dacia Logan uses scarcely seven litres on average Despite the advantages of the engine - the consumption of 6,8 Liter/100 km is acceptable, to hardly wear besides brakes are able and tires because of the schütteren Kraft - Dacia takes it with the Facelift of the combination in October 2008 from the program. As only self fuzes remains the 86 HP version 1,5 dCi. It costs 600 euros more, used up equal much and does not offer more tempers - however any longer the proud feeling to the driver a mountain or a large distance to have defeated. -LO 1025 strolls by Europe. Disturb its slowly responding heating, the fast made excessive demands of air conditioning system and the uncomfortable seats. They cause also the first unplanned visiting a dealer. Starting from kilometer the driver's seat mutates 35,644 to the swinging UHL. That creates the rack renewed on warranty only briefly remedy. The only really annoying and - outside of the guarantee period expensive - lack remains. Otherwise only little things result: Approximately with half time the rear wheel brakes must be cleaned and be replaced greased as well as an low beam lamp with the second extra stop. With third there is a fresh stop light switch and a new disk wiping nozzle. The Dacia Logan MCV gets over 100,000 km without breakdown More does not go broken at the Dacia Logan, at which to is not also much, which could go broken. It hardly ages: The transmission scolded yourself for 100.000 km still just as kratzig as on the first day, the clutch reaches as late as always already. A few scratch in the bumpers witness from the bad clarity. Once it a column in the multi-storey car park the left outside mirror entreißt, but no breakdown stops it. Rattle or rust at the cheap body? No trace. The robust health, which enjoys of the MCV, bases on extensive precaution. The inspection intervals anyway short at 20,000 kilometers are interrupted after 10,000 kilometers by intermediate checks. Whereby Renault in this point gives contradictory data. The manufacturer writes to the reader Wolfgang Krautmacher, it gives only a unique service inspection - with odometer reading 10.000. With our further inquiry it means however, the check is in front necessary with all 10.000er steps with odd number, in order to protect the warranty claims. Fact is: The MCV does not have only to five inspections, with which he gets sumptuous in each case 5.5 litres fresh oil, and whose price with on the average 285 euros comparatively highly fail. The costs of five the intermediate checks, with which the mechanics examine only the car, are on the average with 71 euros. Thus the Logan with scarcely 1,260 euros requires twice as high maintenance costs like Renault Clio with 30.000 km interval. That settles also in the total costs, which amount to without tires, oil and fuel 1.6 Cent/km - approximately 50 per cent more, than usual in this Preisklasse. Despite its high resale value after 100.000 km the Dacia is thus no really cheap car - however an inexpensive for all, which do not look for a car for loving, but for the true life.

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Tocmai ce s-a incheiat un test de anduranta, facut de ams germania, cu un logan mcv 1.5 dci. Nu a avut nici o defectiune, ceea ce e imbucurator..

Traducere via babelfish, articolul original il gasiti aici: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/dauerte...ci-1327576.html

irst air we the secret, why the Dacia Logan MCV looks as new nearly still like 100,000 kilometers inside and outside: It is because of the fact that hard plastics, which its sober Interieur forms does not wear itself out, and its body Design remarkable beauty - which is considered as passing - avoids.




Beginning of lasting for the Dacia Logan MCV

Beauty it does not concern also, when the MCV lasted in February 2007 starts. Separate around the question, how it creates the cheap car over the long distance. It is cheap however only after the base price of 8.400 euro today is it 100 more. Because the combination does not have then however times a power steering, the sum for the test car rises by the choice of the equipment variant Laureate in the group with the 68-PS-Turbodiesel and extra like the third seat row, Radio/CD, air conditioning system, aluminum wheels and Metallic to 15,000 euros. (The Dacia Logan in the single test)

Who likes, can calculate, how much was earlier. It changes however nothing in the fact that there is at present no other car, which has a similarly minted talent at this price seven passengers to accommodate or a whole herd of ageweak washing machines to the valuable material yard to trucks. The MCV does not disappoint, because none expects itself more from it and he promises nothing else as high-pragmatic and unpretentious mobility. And it changes aspects nevertheless: Two, three days at the piece with it are sufficient to the realization gain that it does not have to be more cars actually.

The engine of the Dacia Logan MCV could be stronger

On the routes with the Logan one can concern oneself much with driving, because nothing diverts from it. Few that there at functions, is really one uses. Nothing is to be adjusted, with it to be only adjusted leaves itself. That is valid even for the modest audio plant. It krächzt with the sound strength of a radio bell, but because of wheel from, which the engine organized starting from speed 130, a better sound system would be anyway wasted. Somewhat more Kraft against it would not harm. The road performances of the 1,5-Liter-Diesels do not work completely subjectively so phlegmatisch, as they are after the measured values. Maximally 1,860 Kilos of Logan make excessive demands of 68 HP however: “When driving off I always thought, which was emergency brake attraction”, writes colleague Hans Jörg Götzl in the trip book - with a journey however, on whatever the MCV beside the family of five family Götzl still another camping equipment and a Klepper folding boat kutschiert.

The Dacia Logan uses scarcely seven litres on average

Despite the advantages of the engine - the consumption of 6,8 Liter/100 km is acceptable, to hardly wear besides brakes are able and tires because of the schütteren Kraft - Dacia takes it with the Facelift of the combination in October 2008 from the program. As only self fuzes remains the 86 HP version 1,5 dCi. It costs 600 euros more, used up equal much and does not offer more tempers - however any longer the proud feeling to the driver a mountain or a large distance to have defeated.

-LO 1025 strolls by Europe. Disturb its slowly responding heating, the fast made excessive demands of air conditioning system and the uncomfortable seats. They cause also the first unplanned visiting a dealer. Starting from kilometer the driver's seat mutates 35,644 to the swinging UHL. That creates the rack renewed on warranty only briefly remedy. The only really annoying and - outside of the guarantee period expensive - lack remains. Otherwise only little things result: Approximately with half time the rear wheel brakes must be cleaned and be replaced greased as well as an low beam lamp with the second extra stop. With third there is a fresh stop light switch and a new disk wiping nozzle.

The Dacia Logan MCV gets over 100,000 km without breakdown

More does not go broken at the Dacia Logan, at which to is not also much, which could go broken. It hardly ages: The transmission scolded yourself for 100.000 km still just as kratzig as on the first day, the clutch reaches as late as always already. A few scratch in the bumpers witness from the bad clarity. Once it a column in the multi-storey car park the left outside mirror entreißt, but no breakdown stops it. Rattle or rust at the cheap body? No trace.

The robust health, which enjoys of the MCV, bases on extensive precaution. The inspection intervals anyway short at 20,000 kilometers are interrupted after 10,000 kilometers by intermediate checks. Whereby Renault in this point gives contradictory data. The manufacturer writes to the reader Wolfgang Krautmacher, it gives only a unique service inspection - with odometer reading 10.000. With our further inquiry it means however, the check is in front necessary with all 10.000er steps with odd number, in order to protect the warranty claims. Fact is: The MCV does not have only to five inspections, with which he gets sumptuous in each case 5.5 litres fresh oil, and whose price with on the average 285 euros comparatively highly fail. The costs of five the intermediate checks, with which the mechanics examine only the car, are on the average with 71 euros.

Thus the Logan with scarcely 1,260 euros requires twice as high maintenance costs like Renault Clio with 30.000 km interval. That settles also in the total costs, which amount to without tires, oil and fuel 1.6 Cent/km - approximately 50 per cent more, than usual in this Preisklasse. Despite its high resale value after 100.000 km the Dacia is thus no really cheap car - however an inexpensive for all, which do not look for a car for loving, but for the true life.

In cat timp a facut 100.000 km? Mi-au placut foarte mult pozele din revista.

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In cat timp a facut 100.000 km?

Testul a inceput in februarie 2007 (im Februar 2007 startet)

Ce s-a stricat la ea in 100.000 km:

Sonst fallen nur Kleinigkeiten an: Etwa bei Halbzeit müssen die Hinterradbremsen gereinigt und gefettet sowie eine Abblendlampe beim zweiten Extra-Stopp ersetzt werden. Beim dritten gibt es einen frischen Bremslichtschalter und eine neue Scheibenwischdüse.

Deci:

-curatare si gresare elemente frana spate
-bec lampa Extra-Stopp
-contact frana
-duza spalare parbriz

This post has been edited by Amedeus: 17 Aug 2009, 13:09

a se observa de unde alimentau loganul
cati dintre voi are tupeu sa alimenteze de la carefour?



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"-bec lampa Extra-Stopp" trebuie sa fie a 3a lampa de stop.

cand a aparut chestia aia cu 1 milion de km de la Skoda erati care mai de care tari in mistouri si comentarii, acum cand si altii au asemenea tentative unii-s uzi toti, si le scapa ca e acelasi princpiu de publicitate.

Argonel, una e sa vina xulescu sa se dea mare cu tractorasu' mancator de ulei si sa spuna ca are un melon de kilometrii si alta e sa vina ams cu o afirmatie similara.

si totusi nu se compara 100.000 km cu 1.000.000 km , dar sunt destule exemple cu loganuri ajunse la 300.000 de km si nu sunt la remat.

This post has been edited by rtBK: 17 Aug 2009, 22:03

da, nu se pot compara, insa am mai multa incredere intr-un test de anduranta facut de o revista, unei miscari de pr facuta de skoda

Cineva trebuie sa fie Gica Contra. Si e un gaz rar de data asta.
E mare chestie daca face abstractie de un 0 ? Nu cred. Oricum e manarie. Masina testata avea pompa Bosch ca Delphi facea pilitura.
Lasand gluma la o parte, in RO nu rezista asa.

Sunt 2 categorii de critici - aia care ar vrea tapiterie de piele si insertii de lemn nobil la 9000 de euro, si aia care au senzatia ca daca sunt facute in Romania calitatea e nula.

cand a aparut chestia aia cu 1 milion de km de la Skoda erati care mai de care tari in mistouri si comentarii, acum cand si altii au asemenea tentative unii-s uzi toti, si le scapa ca e acelasi princpiu de publicitate.

daca ptr tine 100.000 Km sunt cam aceeasi mancare de peste cu 1.000.000 atunci nu vad de ce te mai miri cand te trimit colegii la plimbare ori de cate ori deschizi gura.

la ala cu skoda tin mine ca m-m pus pe facut calcule si iesea ceva de genu ca a facut cca 700 Km/zi ... lucru perfect realizabil in cazul unui camion cu 2 soferi .... dar zic eu minciuna gogonata crasa daca vrei sa o aplici unui "turism".

700 km inseamna 8 ore de munca asa ca este perfect realizabil , nu trebuie 2 soferi ca sa conduci 700 km /zi .

E ceva perfect realzabl cu un Logan.Oricum 100.000 de km sunt nimic in afara,vorbind prin prisma carburantului si a drumurilor.Iar la trenul de rulare,ce naiba sa schimbe,ca la capitolul asta Loganul e tanc,fiind gandit pentru drumurile de la noi.
Problema cu pilitura stiam ca a disparut la masinile mai noi,insa mai sunt si cazuri singulare.
Oricum,e o masina corecta,la un pret corect!

referitor la pozele din revista
parca si loganul e o masina "mai" cosmopolita cand e fotografiata intr-o tara cu apa calda

cand a aparut chestia aia cu 1 milion de km de la Skoda erati care mai de care tari in mistouri si comentarii, acum cand si altii au asemenea tentative unii-s uzi toti, si le scapa ca e acelasi princpiu de publicitate.

100.000 km in 30 de luni => 3.333,(3) km/luna. Mult mai credibil decat o medie de 700km/zi, zilnic. Nu?

In plus, faptul ca o revista nemteasca reuseste sa NU rastoarne o Dacie, ba chiar sa ii gaseasca puncte tari, deja zic ca e mare lucru.

700 km inseamna 8 ore de munca asa ca este perfect realizabil , nu trebuie 2 soferi ca sa conduci 700 km /zi .

Pe ce drumuri din Romania faci tu 700km in 8 ore ? Si zilnic timp de 4 ani, fara concediu, fara nimic, fara nicio zi libera ?
Nu mai aberati ma fratilor, ca nici TIR'urile nu fac 1 milion de kilometri in mai putin de 6 ani.

Tu daca ai VW chiar poti sa crezi asemenea aberatii ? Mie daca mi-ar spune unu cu orice masina ca a facut 1 milion de kilometri in 4 ani, i-as da un sut in fund...

Ca sa nu mai pun la socoteala ca la 1 milion de kilometri, o Skoda de-aia face 66 de revizii...
Iar daca scazi zilele de revizie si zilele de Duminica, ajungi la o media de 850 de kilometri pe zi, fara sa pui si sarbatori.
Daca mai pui si sarbatori si concediu, ai sarit de 1000km pe zi.

Romania, trezeste-te !

This post has been edited by andu911: 18 Aug 2009, 10:40

De ce n-au mai tinut in drive-test masina aia inca vreo 50 de mii de km pe soselele de la ei? Doar era diesel, era rulata pe soselele din Germania, cea mai buna masina pentru romani.

700 km inseamna 8 ore de munca asa ca este perfect realizabil , nu trebuie 2 soferi ca sa conduci 700 km /zi .

tu in 8 ore de munca nu mai iei o pauza de papic, de tigara, de susu de ceva? .... si unde bip faci tu in romania cu camionul 700 Km in 8 ore? poate doar ture dus intors pe autostrada ca altfel ...

De ce n-au mai tinut in drive-test masina aia inca vreo 50 de mii de km pe soselele de la ei? Doar era diesel, era rulata pe soselele din Germania, cea mai buna masina pentru romani.

Daca o tineau 200.000 intrebai ca de ce n-au tinut-o inca 50.000? Atat au dorit sa o testeze, au demonstrat ce era de demonstrat.

700 km inseamna 8 ore de munca asa ca este perfect realizabil , nu trebuie 2 soferi ca sa conduci 700 km /zi .

Zi de zi, fara pauze, condus-somn-condus-somn...pana si TIR-isti sau soferii de autocar fac treaba asta o saptamana-doua si apoi au si ei liber cateva zile.
Dar daca ai drum de 6000 km cum faci? Ala cica facea transport coletarie si persoane pe Romania-Spania si retur daca am inteles eu bine, prin urmare se presupune ca facea un drum dus-intors pe saptamana adica vreo 6000 km. Sunt curios cum isi organiza el un drum din asta conducand singur...si in fiecare saptamana.

700 km în 8 ore => 87,5 km/h viteză medie…Doar pe autostradă…sau un drum foarte drept…

În altă ordine de idei în testul prezentat de revistă: 100.000 km / 29 luni (februarie 2007 - iulie 2009) = 3.448 km/lună, sau 100.000 km / 21.184,5 ore (29/12 * 365,25 * 24) = 4,72 km/h

Un test de anduranta la noi in tara se face pe 50 000km. Asa ca 100 000km in Germania sunt ok pentru un test de anduranta.

S-a dovedit ce era de dovedit...

This post has been edited by Dsign: 20 Aug 2009, 12:30

din privinta km se poate atinge 1.000.000 destul de repede; va dau un exemplu si nu zic ca-i cred pe aia cu skoda etc.

firma transport persoane bacau-bucuresti; o masina face 2 curse bacau-bucuresti-bacau intr-o zi (evident nu un sofer, se schimba intre ei etc. - nu cunosc algoritmul)
Bucuresti-Bacau-Bucuresti = 600 km / 9 ore!!!
o zi * 2 curse de mai sus = 1200 km/zi
36.000 km/luna
432.000 km/an
etc.
se ia, se rotunjeste, se mai scad ceva timpi cu revizii, sarbatori legale si eu zic ca in 3 ani se fac 1.000.000 km lejer ... eu cel putin am vazut masini d-astea (gen mercedes sprinter) de transportat persoane a junse la 7-800.000 km ... moment in care cred ca se renunta la ele pt. trasee lungi si le baga maxi-taxi orasenesti/preorasenesti - si masinile astea merg nene! ca daca stau se pierd bani

nici nu vreau sa ma gandesc la autocarele care fac transport de persoane international cu cate 2 sau mai multi soferi care se schimba in puncte intermediare etc.

This post has been edited by crisolro: 20 Aug 2009, 13:18

Confirm, firma de transport persoane pe traseul Bucuresti - Galati, 175 000 km intr-un singur an, cu o masina fabricata in Romania, pe sasiu de Mercedes Vario. In acest timp a facut doar 4 revizii (la Mercedes exista senzor de calitate a uleiului , ala iti spune pe bord cand sa mergi la revizie, in functie de modul de utilizare al masinii) si alte 2 interventii in garantie.

Un Sprinter este un pic mai usor si mai rapid, de aia poate face mai multi km

De facut se pot face multi km. intr-un timp scurt, numai ca refuz sa cred ca la 1 000 000 km masina n-a avut nici o problema.

Am un coleg la serviciu care are un Passat din 1992, diesel, are 1 120 000 km, a reparat motorul la 900 000 km, asta dupa ce a inlocuit a doua turbinsa pe la 800 000 km (prima a fost inlocuita pe la 400 000km)



Revenind la subiect, atat timp cat combustibilul e de calitate, Logan dCI este o masina fiabila, ieftinasi cu intretinere foarte ieftina (comparind cu ce se vinde in prezent pe la concurenta)

Atat timp cat ne raportam la Romania, situatia nu e p[rea roz pentru motoarele dci, cunosc multe cazuri de pompe de injkectie, injectoare si chiar turbine picate la Logan.

PR, ne PR eu pot sa spun un singur lucru: felicitari!

Restul parerilor despre Logan as zice sa le punem in alta parte, pe fiecare la locul ei. Nu cred ca asa ceva era de imaginat pe vreamea berlinei, fie ea si pe injectie, sau a modelelor de un mare succes autohton Supernova/Solenta.

Ca un mic comentariu mai putin laudativ, putem considera aceasta performanta ca un de bun simt intr-o tara cu 'apa calda' - a se citi cu drumuri si combustibil de calitate - din moment ce garantia acopera masina dincolo de aceasta cifra. Noi ne-am obisnuit ca garantie sa insemne 'schimbat in garantie', ori eu cred ca garantie ar trebui sa insemne 'NU se strica in garantie'!

Ligheanul meu 1.6mpi a trecut demult de bariera sutei de mii, fara probleme majore, in conditiile in care am rulat-o numai in tara, pe drumuri desfundate, cu supensie sport si anvelope cu talon mic.

Dupa suta de mii au picat rulmentul si pivotul pe dreapta, ocazie cu care s-au inlocuit ambii rulmenti si ambele bascule

Am inlocuit de 2 ori bieleta de cuplu, asta din cauza stilului "smuls" de condus.

Asa ca pentru Germania, la km astia si la un condus normal, decent, masina se afla in prima ei tinerete.

Pentru Roamania, consider ca motoarele MPI sunt mai robuste

Abblendlampe beim zweiten Extra-Stopp ersetzt werden.
-bec lampa Extra-Stopp   

Mai degraba au schimbat un bec de far in timpul celei de-a doua trecere "extra" (daca socotesc bine la 30000 km) prin service.

Da, posibil.

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