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Clio RS F1 Team vs Peugeot 207 RC, 200 cp aspirat vs 175 cp turbo

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post 24 Sep 2008, 16:57
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Salut!

Cele doua masini CLIO RS F1 TEAM de 200 cp si 215 Nm si PEUGEOT 207 RC Turbo High Pressure de 175 cp si 240 Nm....doua hothatch-uri capabile sa faca de la 0-100 km/h in 6.9 respectiv 7.1 secunde si o viteza maxima de 223(RS) si 220(RC) km/h...astept parerile voastre....care din ele sunt mai bune???


Astept pareri....

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post 24 Sep 2008, 17:37
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mai pui 500 de euro si iti iei megane rs f1 team ;-)

dar daca ar fi de ales, ar fi clio fara discutii. un motor foarte bun cu consum la fel de bun


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post 24 Sep 2008, 17:49
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Sunt convins ca diferentele sunt insesizabile in conditiile in care sunt utilizate de soferi obisnuiti. N-am condus niciuna - deci ma bag si io... - dar as alege sound-ul celor peste 7 mii de turatii in defavoarea turbinei (dif. de cuplu nu-mi pare extraordinara).
Iar daca se aduce vorba de fiabilitate sau termene de garantie sau chiar design, cred ca nu-i cazul sa iscam flame-uri, pt. ca, d. al meu p.d.v., cumparatorul unei asemenea masini n-ar trebui sa fie interesat de asemenea detalii, ci doar unde-i un drum mai virajat, liber, asfaltat cum trebuie...(ah, da, un circuit!)


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post 24 Sep 2008, 19:00
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Am uitat sa mentionez ca desi sunt posesor de renault...am mers intr-un 207 RC...primul din romania si pot spune ca are cuplu bunicel... naughty.gif


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post 24 Sep 2008, 19:05
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QUOTE(dobro_c @ 24 Sep 2008, 17:37)
mai pui 500 de euro si iti iei megane rs f1 team ;-)
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Aspectul asta poate e valabil in cazul Peugeot-ului, pentru ca RS-ul de la Clio in echiparea standard e 18.300 DDP.

Plus ca nu pot sa inteleg genul asta de sfaturi...vrei clio iti iei clio ...vrei megane alegi megane.
Din titlu se intelege cum ca motorul de pe clio ar fi turbo...NU, el este aspirat. De aici si prima mare diferenta cu Peugeot-ul.

Eu nu pot sa fiu decat subiectiv wink.gif , insa as spune ca departamentul Renault Sport e extrem de competitiv.


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post 24 Sep 2008, 19:07
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Nici una dintre ele..Megane Rs sau de ce nu R26...Clio mi se pare un compromis..incluisiv peugeotul


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post 24 Sep 2008, 19:21
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R27, R27! rolleyes.gif


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post 24 Sep 2008, 19:24
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Sincer prefer R26....dar ptr un 207 RC R26 este deja cu mult mai bun....asta din toate punctele de vedere si sa nu mai vb de diferenta dintre 175 si 235 de cai

MEGANE R27 wub.gif

PS....nu cred ca un clio f1 are motor aspirat la 200 cai....pe langa 200 de la rs.. intrebare.gif .....totusi e o diferenta de Nm....asta e un aspect de care nu tii cont cand iti iei o masina(ptr unii) wacko.gif

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post 24 Sep 2008, 19:34
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Exista Megane R27? Nu cred.
Si crede... Ce crezi, S2000 a lu' Honda are 240CP din 2l cu ajutorul vreunei turbine?
Scuze pt. off-topic.


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post 24 Sep 2008, 19:40
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QUOTE(eduardsebe @ 24 Sep 2008, 19:24)
PS....nu cred ca un clio f1 are motor aspirat la 200 cai....pe langa 200 de la rs.. intrebare.gif .....
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Se pare ca nu prea cunosti gama RS...toate modelele de clio au motor de 2.0 aspirat!!
Ce ai scris tu mai sus nu inteleg...200 de cai comparati cu alti 200 de cai blink.gif


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post 24 Sep 2008, 19:49
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Complet aspirat si merge vis smile.gif


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post 24 Sep 2008, 19:50
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Greseala mea cu megane r27...in orice caz ar fi un concept tare megane r27 radmasa.gif


si nu..nu prea cunosc gama rs(la clio)
la megane stiu mai multe...


Pentru cunoscatori de RS stie cineva informatii despre megane R26R...nu am gasit decat http://www.netcarshow.com/renault/2009-megane_r26.r/02.htm...

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post 24 Sep 2008, 19:52
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Am inteles... Se poate inchide?


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post 25 Sep 2008, 17:31
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altcineva.....pareri dry.gif


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post 25 Sep 2008, 18:35
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Un mic off-topic: eduardsebe am vazut ca ti-ai facut chip...cum ti-ai modificat timpii de injectie?? M-ar interesa harta de cuplu, daca ti-ai facut dyno poate imi arati si mie harta, sunt curios de cuplul modificat pana in 3.000 rpm.


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post 25 Sep 2008, 19:02
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Off Topic:Chip tuning-ul l-am pus chiar azi....de la dimsport(scz ca fac reclama) si mi s-a spus ca puterea se va mari cu 10 cp iar cuplu de la 127 la 141 Nm....timpii de injectie(nu pot sa iti spun ca nu prea stiu) dar promit ca voi mai studia hartia care mi-a dat-o la mana...cuplul pana in 3000 s-a imbunatatit dar modificarile se fac sesizabile dupa 3000 in colo...se infige mai tare si se simte ca motorul trage...o problema ar fi ca trebuiesc schimbate:uleiul/filtru ulei/filtru aer.Si nu am facut dyno ca nu prea aveam timp ca aveam treaba...in rest 250 EUR + manopera


PS..recomand chip chiar daca este aspirat.

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post 25 Sep 2008, 19:15
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Fie intre noi...harta trebuia s-o studiezi inainte. icon_mrgreen.gif Poate faci un scan la ce-ai primit si pui aici pe forum.
Peste 3.000 rpm trage de rupe si faca chip, mica problema e pana acolo.


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post 25 Sep 2008, 19:20
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daca este sa vb pe mess....id-ul edysebe pe yahoo...ca m-ai cam speriat


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post 27 Sep 2008, 16:43
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S-a facut o confuzie: R27 este Clio F1 Team, iar R26 este Megane F1 Team.
De curand am aflat ca de fapt puterea de 200 cai la Clio este cea scoasa la motor... la roata insa pe dyno scoate undeva la 172-175 cai. huh.gif Chiar si asa Clio-ul este masina care la stabilitate nu are rival in clasa ei, eu unul as alege F1 Team-ul.
La sfarsitul anului sper sa pot comanda si eu ceva din gama Renault Sport... sunt cam in dubii deoarece Clio-ul este foarte apropiat la pret cu Megane comparand R27 cu R26. Un Clio RS configurat ar duce undeva la 19000 insa mi-e sa nu regret ca nu am luat R27, iar diferenta de la R27 la Megane R26 este de vreo 800 Euro parca. unsure.gif

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post 27 Sep 2008, 17:02
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nu o sa regreti daca iti iei R26 smile.gif. E diferenta de clasa si de tot, pt. foarte putini bani. Daca vrei ia-o logic: megane r26 este un clio r27 mai mare biggrin.gif si mai bun.


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cica pentru mersul prin oras clio-ul e mult mai indicat. cel putin asta am inteles din unele pareri aflate pe aici


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post 29 Sep 2008, 13:45
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daca vrei performante te mai uiti la consum??? blink.gif





de peugeot nu mai zice nimeni nimic? intrebare.gif

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post 1 Oct 2008, 18:29
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De curand am aflat ca motorul de la 207 RC este facut in colaborare cu BMW si acelasi motor se afla si pe Mini Cooper S

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R27 sau R26... 207 RC e cam aiurea din cate am auzit...

R27 e foarte haios dar e prea scump, eu as mai pune 500 si as lua R26, cu toate ca e invechit.

Turbo, 30 cp in plus, mai mare, etc..


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post 3 Oct 2008, 11:29
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207 RC in doua usi e mult mai putin impunator fata de R27 sau r26!


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QUOTE(eduardsebe @ 24 Sep 2008, 16:57)
Salut!

Cele doua masini CLIO RS F1 TEAM de 200 cp si 215 Nm si PEUGEOT 207 RC Turbo High Pressure de 175 cp si 240 Nm....
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design: aici ne pricepem toti biggrin.gif ba nu, suntem subiectivi, normal. RS/F1 +, 207 RC -

performante: RS/F1 e de aplaudat. singura chestie care deranjeaza, in afara circuitului/virajelor, este bazaiala constanta si continua in regim cruise. dar revenim la vechea si intensa discutie aspirat versus turbo. unde iarasi suntem subiectivi. vreau sa cred ca marketing-ul nu contribuie deloc la cunoasterea unor mini hot hatch-uri dar evident, ma insel amarnic. (de RS/F1 aud/vad teste peste teste, de 207 mai nimic). revenind la versus, RS-ul a spulberat (exagerez) un alt mic turbo hot hatch, Corsa OPC

Clio RS vs Corsa OPC


pret fara TVA: baza RS F1 17932 euro / baza 207 RC 15970 euro. te las pe tine sa descoperi ce alte dotari ai in banii aia, renault.ro si peugeot.com.ro au configuratoare.

Cooper S vs Corsa OPC vs 207 RC


Clio RS x 207 RC x Grande punto Gp Abarth x Corsa OPC


concluzia mea: dintre cele doua, cu inima aleasa, Clio F1Team ph34r.gif dinamica, racheta de buzunar, umflata, zglobie, kart. nu sunt fan totusi abtibilde. asta e singurul - radmasa.gif


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post 5 Oct 2008, 19:55
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Prima "racheta de buzunar" am vazut-o la carrefour unirii .....era galben sirius...si pregatita de cateva tururi de pista...avea optionalele scaune recarro...era fenomenala

Despre 207 RC....are un prieten si mereu il vad la volanul lui

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post 9 Oct 2008, 16:50
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Prietenul meu cu rc-ul spune ca ia un clio rs f1 team(parerea lui)
Eu zic ca nu...totusi 6.9....7.1....nene sunt 0.2 sutimi


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Pai aia 2 sutimi nu-i simti, daca te dai separat cu ambele masini. Si oricum 2 sutimi pierzi lejer daca pleci aiurea de pe loc.


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post 19 Oct 2008, 10:50
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De-ar avea si clio turbo ar lua suta in 6.3 secunde si mai mult de 220 km/h
207 RC are totusi motor de 1.6 blink.gif
Si 2 sutimi nu se simt dar asta depinde de multi factori...sosea/cauciucuri/sofer


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