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zbuciumus
post 17 Feb 2006, 15:17
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Uitati ce face UNICHIP setat pe dyno pentru Clio 2 DCI de 80 cp.


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post 17 Feb 2006, 15:49
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yeah right wink.gif 220 de cai din 80?


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post 17 Feb 2006, 15:51
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ala-i cuplu'. 220nm &100cp


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post 17 Feb 2006, 15:52
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Ti l-ai pus de la Master Tuner nu???
consumul a ramas la fel??
Esti multumit de cum au lucrat?? Si eu mi-am montat un filtru sport la ei, am fost multumit, o sa ma duc sa-mi schimbe si toba in curand!!


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post 17 Feb 2006, 16:02
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Cat a costat toata operatiunea?
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post 17 Feb 2006, 16:02
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mea culpa... as vrea totusi sa stiu daca e vreo diferenta vizibila si cum? ca eu sunt f multumit de cum trage dci-ul meu la turatii >2500 dar as fi interesat sa stiu daca se modifica si sub 2500...


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post 17 Feb 2006, 16:20
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pai graficul vorbeste de la sine smile.gif

diferenta n-are cum sa nu se simta


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post 17 Feb 2006, 16:21
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Adica practic masina ar trebui sa se comporte chiar mai bine decat 1.5 dci standard de 100

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post 17 Feb 2006, 16:57
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pe'acolo; singura chestie e ca piesele (ambreajul de ex.) au fost proiectate pentru cei 80cp. Dar nu stiu daca sunt aceleasi piese, nu ma bag.


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post 17 Feb 2006, 17:00
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cred ca singura diferenta dintre dci de 80 si 100 e de electronica... CPU!!
Poate daca cineva se pricepe.... sa ma contrazica!


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post 17 Feb 2006, 17:03
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s-a mai discutat, stiu ca difera turbina de exemplu la cele 3 motorizari (65, 80 si 100 cp).


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post 17 Feb 2006, 17:14
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In fine.... http://www.renault.ro/ro/autovehicule/car_ft.php?v=16

Aici scrie ca ambele motoare au turbo sferic (nu cu geom variabila), deci tot cred ca ar fi la fel!
motorul de 80 de cai vad ca in realitate are 84!!
si dupa unichip are performante mai bune cel putin din grafic decat unul de 100 standard!


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post 17 Feb 2006, 19:23
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Eu sant de la Mastertuner (spre rusinea mea imi fac publicitate, dar totusi masuratorile la noi vor fi INTOTDEAUNA serioase, la masini modificate fie de noi fie de concurenta) si masina e a unui prieten vanzator de Renault la Cobalcescu. Modificarea am facut-o acum un an. Masita trage foarte frumos pt un clio bicorp limited (care are o suspensie ff buna). Turbina si motorul sant identice la 65 cu 80, la 100 are geometrie variabila. Intre 65 si 80 difera electronica si faptul ca 80 are si intercooler blink.gif Uitati-va pe http://forum.4tuning.ro/viewforum.php?f=20...57b1fbb0d8d21bf ca sa vedeti si alte dynoteste cu diverse masini si modificari.


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post 20 Feb 2006, 19:17
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care este pretul modificarii pt un simbol de 82 cp?


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post 21 Feb 2006, 10:03
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375 de euro cu tot cu instalare si dynotuning.

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post 23 Feb 2006, 01:58
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care sunt dezavantajele reale?


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post 23 Feb 2006, 11:04
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1.Pretul, pentru ca costa

2.Posibilitatea de a rula mai repede si a consuma mai mult. La mers identic consuma mai putin, dar cand folosesti extraputere nu e magie neagra, e mai multa motorina implicata.

3.Turbina are o turatie cu 10-15% mai mare la sarcina maxima. Tinand cont ca masina pe strada nu poate fi folosita la sarcina max mai mult de 5-10% din rulajul ei total calculati voi cate procente inseamna( 1-3%)

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post 23 Feb 2006, 12:38
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Dar la un megan cu dci 100 CP, cam unde se ajunge cu o astfel de "operatiune"?


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post 23 Feb 2006, 15:33
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QUOTE(MeganeCC @ Feb 17 2006, 05:00 PM)
cred ca singura diferenta dintre dci de 80 si 100 e de electronica... CPU!!
Poate daca cineva se pricepe.... sa ma contrazica!
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Ceva diferente cica ar fi. Daca ne gandim strict la motor, cica totusi, piesele sunt -cel putin-selectionate mai bine, daca nu facute din aliaje mai bune, pentru a rezista solicitarilor mai mari.

Daca ne gandim la tot ansamblul numit automobil, cica ar mai fi diferente si la admisia de aer si la evacuare. S-a mai discutat....


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post 23 Feb 2006, 16:49
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ceea ce inseamna motor cu turbocompresor/turbina "sufera" o crestere cu ~30% de putere, respectiv cuplu
ceea ce inseamna motor aspirat - +~10% la cp&nm
indiferent ca'i benzina sau motorina si in mare cam indiferent de firma care executa modificarea.

adica s-ar ajunge la 130cp. Nu stiu ce cuplu are motorul, spre rusinea mea smile.gif


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post 23 Feb 2006, 19:54
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deci in consecinta se poate strica turbina?
e unul vreau sa-mi pun neaparat dar nu vreau sa am probleme cu masina atata tot.
si in caz de ceva sa spunem pot reveni la setarile initiale ale masinii?

multumesc pt detalii.

poate castigati un client smile.gif

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post 23 Feb 2006, 23:27
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sunt diferente semnificative intre 65 80 100 cp ! garantat ! nu numai de turbine ci si raportul de comprimare de ex ! de la 80 in sus exista intercooler si alte magarii ! la cel de 100 difera multe multe treburi !

cresterea cu 10 15 % a turatiei turbinei inseama undeva intre 10 si 15000 rpm in plus deci nu e tocmai de neglijat !

desi motorul nu va suferi foarte mult tubina va suferi cu varf si indesat !

la 375 de euro mi se pare extraordinar de mult !


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post 23 Feb 2006, 23:32
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da pentru 2 minute de lupta cu laptopul si mufa... asa erau si cu decodatul la telefonae si au ajuns 200.000...pana in toamna o sa fie 100e (sper eu si am niste promisiouni in acest sens)..


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post 24 Feb 2006, 01:21
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motorul nu prea ar avea mari probleme.
am auzit si eu multe pareri cu chipatul si toate au fost foarte negre asupra turbinei.
nu stiu ce sa fac. mi-ar prinde bine 20 de cai sincer sa fiu.


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post 24 Feb 2006, 14:23
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pai daca abuzezi de ei vei avea probleme, dar intr-un mers normal (fara excese de viteze de varf, forje & altele) nu cred ca se vor sesiza problemele, cel putin nu curand (peste 2 ani zic eu, si se poate chiar mai bine)


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post 24 Feb 2006, 14:58
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cel putin la clio de 82 cp nu vad rostul aceste operatii. Masina este f. usoara si 80 cp. sunt destui pt un demaraj sanatos. Pt. viteze mari (>170 km/h), sustin in continuare ca symbolul nu este o masina potrivita.


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Puteti sa puneti chipul chipului ca viteza maxima nu o sa o mariti aproape deloc, ce se obtine este scurtarea timpului in care o atingeti wink.gif , insa viteza maxima mai mare in nici un caz.


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post 24 Feb 2006, 19:48
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il sustin pe google.... daca ai 20 cai in plus viteza de top nu o sa-ti creasca decat cu vreo 5km/h ... cu cei 20 cai mai vin si vreo 30 nm (nu stiu sigur catzi) dar nu si o alta cutie de viteze biggrin.gif... so.. e vb de liniute nu de top speed tongue.gif...

p.s: s-a tot discutat despre cip-tuning, remapare, resoftare sau cum vreti sa-i ziceti... dci-100cp are schimbata turbina si alte chestii nu e o simpla modificare de soft.


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post 1 Mar 2006, 03:02
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nu vit max ma intereseaza ca se duce destul nu am ce sa mai cer.
dar parca ar putea mai mult pe accelerari dry.gif


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La motorul de 65cp ce se poate face?


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