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post 18 Aug 2014, 10:39
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E mai bine, dar nu suficient de bine...2 e tot prea putin. Pentru 120 cp, mergi pe 2.4 sau 2.5 fara frica. Te rog sa faci harta mai mare ca in prima poza, sa-mi pot da seama mai bine de diferenta dintre cele doua harti pe timpii mari de injectie. Acolo apare full open. Poti folosi si tasta "prt sc" ca sa faci o captura de ecran (paste in paint si save as jpeg...).
In cazul de fata ai doua variante: ori maresti diuzele (recomandat), ori lasi ultiumile trei puncte de pe linia multiplicatorului la 30kPa (axa din dreapta). Numai ca-n a II-a varianta, masina va fi mai lenesa ca pe benzina, la talpa la fund.
In poza a doua am subliniat cu rosu recomandarea manualului...


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post 18 Aug 2014, 13:58
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Am 107cp. Mi-e teama sa ma duc cu duzele mai sus (de la 1.5 la 2.0 a scazut semnificativ multiplicatorul - ai vazut si tu - mi-e ca se duce prea jos daca fac duzele de 2.4....ma gandeam la 2.1-2.2?) Mai am o problema acum... sad.gif cand schimba de pe gaz pe benzina sau invers, da sa moara motorul.
Sau as putea incerca sa duc presiunea mai sus in vaporizator sa vad daca se rezolva? In caz ca da, o dau inapoi si maresc duzele putin?

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post 19 Aug 2014, 18:41
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Ai dreptate ca trebuie duze mai mari. Am marit presiunea la 1.43 si a mai scazut putin multiplicatorul (aproape de 1.1) si momentan nu a mai aparut eroarea. Am pus si timpul de trecere pe gpl la 100ms si trece fara sa simt pe gpl, inapoi pe benzina tot mai are o ezitare. Intrebarea e cat sa maresc duzele? Tot mi-e teama ca 2.4 sunt prea mari.
P.S. daca trecerea de pe benzina pe gpl sau invers se face in mers tot imi da in nas binisor. De ce de cand am marit duzele ca sa-si faca autocalibrarea tre s-o tin din pedala turata ca altfel moare motorul? Tot dupa marirea duzelor am si problema asta cu trecerea de pe benzina pe gpl si invers.

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post 22 Aug 2014, 07:36
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Asa arata setarile si harta (dupa autocalibrare) Duzele sunt tot alea de 2. Ce se intampla cu injectoarele 3 si 4: in timpul autocalibrarii scade mult turatia cand intra injectorul 3 si nici nu mai merge rotund motorul. La fel daca decuplez eu (din soft) oricare din cele 2 injectoare. In schimb daca decuplez injectoarele 1 sau 2 motorul functioneaza absolut normal. Am ajuns cu timpul de trecere de pe benzina pe gpl si invers la 0ms ca sa faca trecerea cat de cat normal, altfel (reglat de la 200ms in sus si chiar si la 100ms) imi tremura motorul si chiar si moare daca e la relanti.
Poza1 - pornire la rece
Poza2 - imediat ce a intrat pe gpl
Poza3 - deflexie inainte de autocalibrare
Poza3 - deflexie dupa autocalibrare
Poza4 - harta imediat dupa autocalibrare, fara corectii

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post 25 Aug 2014, 12:06
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verifica daca corespondenta intre injectorul 3 benzina si gaz e ok,adica sa nu fie benzina 3 gaz 4 si invers,benzina 4 si gaz 3
Poti inversa mufele intre ele 4 cu 3 la gaz.


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post 25 Aug 2014, 19:58
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Am facut asta deja. Acum ordinea e 1243. Cred ca furtunele au fost incrucisate si eu cand am schimbat duzele le-am pus drept. Trece frumos acum pe gaz/benzina dar nu am scapat de dat in nas. Maine dim fac duzele de 2.2 sa vad ce iese.


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post 13 Sep 2014, 13:39
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Am descoperit de ce tot dadea in nas, membranele la vaporizator (desi nu au anul de cand le-am schimbat) scapau (cea din mijloc scapa prin 2 locuri si mizeria ajunsese si in filtrul de stare lichida) Aceste membrane au fost inlocuite de cei care mi-au montat instalatia si care nu au binevoit sa-mi comunice ca nu sunt cele originale. Am pus eu un set original si acum am doar niste scaderi insesizabile de presiune (aprox 0.05 bari fata de 0.7 bari cu membranele vechi)
Am reglat si instalatia si am obtinut urmatorul grafic (cu duze de 1.9 acum):

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post 24 Dec 2014, 09:57
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Am scos bujiile denso iridium IK20 rulate putin peste 50000km. Parca stiam ca duc pana pe la 90000km....Au fost inlocuite cu Beru UXT1 care macar 40000km daca tin ma declar foarte multumit de ele. (au costat ceva mai putin de jumatate fata de denso)
Se pare ca gpl-ul le afecteaza destul de rau.
P.S. pun si poza cu ele imediat ce pot. Momentan imi da eroare "the website has a programming error"
P.P.S. ca idee: electrodul central e lipsa

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post 18 Mar 2016, 09:03
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Revizie la 256407km: flanse si amortizoare fata kayaba (pe spate le schimbasem tot cu kayaba), rulmenti sarcina amortizor skf, kit protectie amortizor sachs, suport hidroelastic motor corteco, cablu ambreiaj starline. Pe partea de gaz schimbat cele 2 filtre si cam atat. Urmeaza zilele astea schimbul de ulei si filtre. In rest...sosele bune sa avem!
Uitasi, s-a schimbat si pompa stropitoare parbriz+luneta cu Febi.

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post 29 Mar 2016, 08:41
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I-am schimbat si uleiul cu ravenol lsg 5w30 si amortizoarele de haion cu magnetti marelli. Azi face si baie, poate urmeaza si niste poze.

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Si poze:

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post 10 Apr 2016, 11:53
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Nu am gasit cheder nou la un pret convenabil, asa ca am inlocuit o bucata din chederul vechi de la portbagaj (parte de jos, rupta) cu o alta bucata de cheder de laguna, dar in stare buna. Rezultatele in poze (nu mai trosneste haionul acum si are un sunet plin cand se inchide - video: https://youtu.be/eC6Gtr4_DS0 ):
P.S. ca sa stea lipite capetele de chedere, am rulat aprox. 8-10cm din gogoasa de la chederul vechi si am bagat-o in interiorul capetelor de chedere.

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post 10 Apr 2016, 16:01
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Spuneai mai sus ca ai inlocuit amortizoarele pe fata, de care ai pus? pe ulei cum avea din fabrica sau ai ales KYB pe gaz? Ma intereseaza sa stiu daca nu cumva e prea rigida in cazul in care ai pus pe gaz pe fata.

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post 10 Apr 2016, 21:42
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Nu am pus gaz pe fata, doar pe spate. Are suspensiile destul de tari si asa, nu vroiam sa risc sa le fac si mai tari. Citisem un topic la megane 1 unde pusese cineva amortizoare pe gaz pe fata si se plangea ca simte orice pietricica/denivelare, nu aveam de gand sa fac la fel.


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post 22 Oct 2016, 18:40
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Au cedat și bujiile beru (uxt 1). La 265652km am trecut iar la denso, de data asta ik20tt.


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post 28 Jan 2017, 17:42
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Pregatiri de vara. Am vopsit si bratele de la stergatoare, tot in camp electrostatic (poze dupa ce le montez).

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post 15 Feb 2017, 09:52
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Si stergatoarele:

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Arata bine masina! Tine-o tot asa!

Am avut si eu o Laguna2...


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post 20 Feb 2017, 12:24
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Multumesc!
Mi s-a pus pata pe laguna 2 facelift, da una n-am gasit in mintile ei.


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post 16 Mar 2017, 09:11
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Mno....cand ti se pune pata...

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Ti-ai luat Laguna 2? Da mai multe detalii...


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post 17 Mar 2017, 15:15
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Mi-am luat laguna 2 (facelift). Exteriorul arata bine, interiorul era belit cam....tot. Tot motorul de 1.6 si luni e programata la gpl. Ca dotari....clima, esp, tempomat, senzori de lumina si ploaie....cam atat.

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post 17 Mar 2017, 15:36
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S-o stapanesti sanatos! Sa te duca multi km fara probleme!

1.6 pe Laguna 2 pare un pic mai lenes fata de acelasi motor pe Laguna 1, dar merge. Am avut break si Laguna 1 si Laguna 2 cu acest motor si n-au sughitat deloc. Fiabilitatea e renumita pentru K4M!


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post 17 Mar 2017, 15:51
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Mie mi se pare invers....si am clapeta de 2.0 pe laguna 1 (cuplu ceva mai mare la ture mici) Multumesc pentru urare!
P.S. Am motorul de 112 cp ala cu fulie defazoare.


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Si cu ocazia implinirii a 160000km, i-am facut si cateva cadouri... O interfata usb/sd mp3 pe care hu o vede ca o magazie de cd-uri. (99 de melodii in 6 foldere) I-am aranjat si bordul, i-am luat si jante (nu le-am montat inca) si cam atat pentru moment.

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Multumesc! (dar imi permit sa adaug: "fara probleme" ca deja mi-am luat un sut in fund....)


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Am gasit la Auchan geanta asta de portbagaj si am bagat in ea tot ce aveam lasat aiurea prin portbagaj.

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Murdara, dar incaltata de iarna. Jantele de aliaj sunt de vara.

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La multi ani!!!

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