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post 2 Mar 2016, 23:27
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Cum poseta se poarta si la barbati, este chiar un avantaj.  biggrin.gif
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Totusi gagicile reprezinta o parte importanta a publicului tinta pentru Scenic. Femeia vrea loc pentru geanta, barbatul vrea cotiera. Asa au impacat si capra si varza.

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Care te-ai gandit sa fie capra si care varza?


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Si barbatu n-are voie sa conduca Scenic?


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Ba da...si ma gandeam ce m-ar coafa mai mult, sa fiu capra sau varza? Da cu virgula...mai bine fara cotiera.


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Interesant ce zic baietii aia in articol.
Zic de "declinul apasat al segmentului". M-am uitat pe cifre. Atat de apasat e declinul ca la "mid size mpv" (unde e scenicul in toate variantele) piata a cunoscut, in Europa, o ... crestere cu 4%. DA, un declin "apasat", trebuie sa recunosc. Istoric vorbind, in 2013 a fost o scadere de 9% si in 2014 una de 2%. Da' cred ca aia a fost cu piata cu tot, nu doar segmentul asta.
Piata de "Large MPV" (unde e Espace-ul, Sharan-ul etc) a cunoscut intr-adevar o scadere de 6%. Dar nu mi se pare a fi atat de "apasata" scaderea. In 2013 a fost o scadere de 17% (aia da scadere!) iar in 2014 o crestere de 5%.
Vanzari de midsize mpv in Europa
Vanzari de large MPV in Europa

Si-mi place de Van Ackeren cum ne povesteste noua de fabuloasa realizare, de un scenic care aduce "viata si bucurie" in segment. La naiba, aia de la Citroen fac asa ceva de vreo 3-4 ani...


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E interesant și motivul pentru care "aduce viață și bucurie", și anume jantele de douăj' dă țoli, să muară dujmanii. rolleyes.gif
Exact de-aia nu se bucura lumea care conducea monovolume compacte, că n-avea jante cît casa. De-acum încolo va fi o bucurie continuă, numai rînjete pînă la urechi, nu altceva. biggrin.gif

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Inca doua segmente omorate de venirea lui Ghosn. Renault va avea o sansa cand el va dispare din peisaj.

Renault Scenic / Grand Scenic
1997 177.122
1998 252.061
1999 290.152
2000 301.722
2001 291.846
2002 256.441
2003 250.317
2004 319.131
2005 305.420
2006 258.454
2007 238.002
2008 168.178
2009 147.777
2010 185.295
2011 160.159
2012 130.895
2013 109.985
2014 110.023
2015 108.583


Renault Espace / Grand Espace
1997 52.809
1998 62.914
1999 67.782
2000 54.225
2001 53.348
2002 48.013
2003 63.497
2004 63.403
2005 49.562
2006 40.429
2007 40.209
2008 23.978
2009 15.508
2010 16.132
2011 15.308
2012 12.607
2013 8.267
2014 6.974
2015 21.149

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post 4 Mar 2016, 10:41
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Mai ales când bugetul familiei va fi lovit de achizitia unor pneuri pentru jantele alea. Parca monovolumul compact era o masina "cuminte" de familie?


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A fost pe vremea lui Scenic 3.


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post 4 Mar 2016, 11:11
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o sa se vanda, la greu, jante after market pe 17,18.

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post 4 Mar 2016, 20:39
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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 4 Mar 2016, 09:43)
Inca doua segmente omorate de venirea lui Ghosn. Renault va avea o sansa cand el va dispare din peisaj.




serios? da pe aia de la fauve cine i-a omorat? uite vanzarile la vw touran

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Volkswagen
Touran
2002  7
2003  91.602
2004  191.414
2005  166.755
2006  167.729
2007  167.164
2008  129.300
2009  110.680
2010  94.505
2011  118.883
2012  106.868
2013  91.725
2014  89.394
2015  73.767


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sau toyota corolla verso

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Toyota
(Corolla) Verso
2001  173
2002  41.069
2003  43.731
2004  62.193
2005  88.658
2006  90.093
2007  80.599
2008  58.856
2009  25.906
2010  37.679
2011  37.544
2012  32.695
2013  34.355
2014  32.875
2015  31.872


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sau opel zafira

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Opel/Vauxhall
Zafira
1998  118
1999  114.224
2000  204.032
2001  242.810
2002  242.295
2003  224.728
2004  190.692
2005  180.633
2006  217.555
2007  179.585
2008  147.687
2009  96.189
2010  90.333
2011  72.636
2012  96.368
2013  85.206
2014  82.159
2015  55.933


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sau mazda 5

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Mazda
5
2004  1
2005  15.641
2006  45.022
2007  44.722
2008  32.106
2009  21.194
2010  18.165
2011  18.193
2012  12.263
2013  8.390
2014  6.626
2015  5.258


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post 7 Mar 2016, 13:36
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Nu imi dau seama din filmulet, cotiera aia gliseaza electric sau o impinge cineva care nu apare in cadru?


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Care e sursa pentru vanzarile de mai sus?


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post 7 Mar 2016, 17:08
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Nu cred ca e de vina omul rau Ghosn, ci a aparut segmentul Cross-over-elor si SUV-urilor compacte care au mancat serios din segmentul Compact MPV. De-aia o vireaza atat Large MPV si Medium eMPeVe catre alura SUV, pentru ca se vinde alura de SUV mai bine.
De exemplu Renault Espace actuala arata mai degraba a SUV decat a MPV, la fel si Scenic. E usor sa alegi SUV-ul in dauna cutiei pe roti gen Scenic.
MAzda 5 e o masina superba dar CX-5 se vinde mai bine. LA fl si Tiguanul se vinde mai bine decat Touranul desi cel din urma e mai spatios.
COtiera aia care se misca cu totul mi se pare o idee mai mult decat utila. E foarte avantajos pentru doamne sa-si tina geannta langa ele, iar in masinile normale nu e loc acolo.

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QUOTE(dizzy @ 7 Mar 2016, 16:08)
Nu cred ca e de vina omul rau Ghosn
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post 7 Mar 2016, 19:21
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da tot nu mi-ai explicat cum de alte masini din aceeasi clasa au scazut chiar mai mult decat renault-ul. Vezi mazda, vezi opel. Tot ghosn e de vina? radmasa.gif


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post 7 Mar 2016, 19:39
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Nu sunt un fan al lui Ghosn si nu cred ca 'taie tot' e solutia de iesit din criza. Acum mi se pare ca Renault si-a regasit ritmul. Acu un an si 2 luni stateam cu banii in cont in showroomul Renault si nu am avut ce alege. Talismanul pare reusit, Scenicul nou la fel, noul Megane asijderea.
Aproape ca imi pare rau ca nu am asteptat Renault Kadjar.
MPVurile compacte sunt solutia rationala in timp ce SUVurile sunt solutia emotionala. Si inima bate mintea.

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QUOTE(aphophis @ 7 Mar 2016, 18:21)
da tot nu mi-ai explicat cum de alte masini din aceeasi clasa au scazut chiar mai mult decat renault-ul. Vezi mazda, vezi opel. Tot ghosn e de vina? radmasa.gif
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sa iti explic cum au crescut vanzarile la primii doi producatori mondiali de automobile? radmasa.gif radmasa.gif radmasa.gif

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post 7 Mar 2016, 21:16
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tu explica-mi de ce au scazut asa de tare vanzarile de la opel zafira, toyota verso, vw touran, mazda 5.. icon_mrgreen.gif


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post 8 Mar 2016, 09:13
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Gama MPV nu mai e de mult o cash-cow, asta daca o fi fost vreodata.
Au mai ramas pe piata Renault cu Espace, transformat in SUVoDUBa, Chrysler cu Voyager, VW cu Sharan, Opel Zafira (7locuri), Citronel C4 Picasso.
Pur si simplu nu mai au tractiune pe piata si vor disparea incet incet, la fel cum au disparut Ford Crown Vic, Chevy Caprice, Nissan Patrol, si alte masini si segmente intregi, asta-i viata.

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nisan patrol se vinde f bine, decat ca nu la nuoi.


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QUOTE(IRONICK @ 7 Mar 2016, 18:11)
Cand pe toate segmentele este o problema, atunci este managerul. Ca el defineste calea.
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Actionarii ce spun?

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nisan patrol se vinde f bine, decat ca nu la nuoi.
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Actionarii ce spun?
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QUOTE(b76bgaarh @ 8 Mar 2016, 09:42)
nisan patrol se vinde f bine, decat ca nu la nuoi.
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Da, dar Patrolul e foarte atractiv din alte puncte de vedere. E printre ultimele off-roadere adevărate, fără compromisuri, mașini dure și greu de distrus.
Or vanurile nu-s altceva decît niște berline mai lungi; în afară de al treilea rînd de locuri (dacă-l au și pe-ăla) nu prea mai vin cu nimic special.


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Masini care se vand cu sutele si miile nu pot fi considerate masini de succes, asta ar cam cadea in gama vehiculelor de tip Flag-ship si vehicule specializate.
Patrol si Landruiser sunt dinozauri, fac foarte bine ceea ce fac dar vanzarile vor scadea pe viitor. Pe piata asta mai sunt Mercedes G, Pajero intr-o oarecare masura, Land Rover si Range Rover dar masinile astea nu mai aduc bani pentru firmele mama.
Mini-Vanul mi se pare masina ideala daca ai mai mult de 3 copchii, atunci incepe sa aibe sens masina.


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s-a lansat de ceva timp la geneva. Cateva poze de la un drive-test. Senzational arata, cred ca e cel mai aspectuos mpv de clasa compacta din europa

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ps tableta aia tot de toata jena ramane, aphophise poze cu interioarele nu pui?

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