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post 1 Jul 2016, 16:03
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La intrarea in sat (Gadalin) sunt destul de multe gropi, unele chiar mari, iar intro zi cand vroiam sa pornesc cu masina vad ca sta intro parte, se pare ca am dat prea tare in una sau de prea multe ori, si mai si transportam ceva saci din cand in cand. Am determinat ca sa indoit o bara de torsiune (stanga-fata).

Din pacate nu am gasit pe nimeni s-o schimbe doar la un loc scump (Autocheck Center) din Cluj, dar trebuie sa cumpar piesa originala de la ei (620 lei), plus 2 bucse ca alea vechi trebuie date jos si se poate doar cu torta (2x 100lei) si cer manopera pe o intreaga zi, deci 500 lei.
Si masina mea era oricum lasata deci ar trebui sa cumpar si schimb 2 bare, care ar putea sa coste inca 1120lei (620+500).

~2500 lei mi se pare mult prea mult pentru asta, mai bine cumpar o punte folosita, daca gasesc, daca nu trebuie sa iau alta masina.(sigur nu va fi un renault)

Stie careva unde as gasi o punte second ? Kangoo-ul meu e din 98, 1.4 benzina cu ABS, are puntea din spate cu 4 bari (am auzit ca sunt si cu doar 2), tip transport de persoane.
La o statie de ITP din Apahida spuneau ceva ca e cu brate rotunde nu triunghuilare.

E vreun cod la astea sau ceva ? cum aflu de care imi trebuie? conteaza daca e cu ABS sau nu pe puntea spate?

Am cautat si gasit cateva punti pe OLX, dar n-am avut noroc cu ele, am sunat si la cateva dezmembrari din Cluj, iar fara noroc.

E vreo dezmembrare specializata pe Renault undeva in judetul Cluj sau in apropiere ?

Am citit pe forum ca ar fi cineva care schimba si doar bara undeva in Turda, are cineva adresa sau un nr de tel ?

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post 2 Jul 2016, 14:45
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0757038392 este numarul de telefon de la cei care repara punti in Turda. Incearca la ei inainte sa cumperi una second.


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post 2 Jul 2016, 18:23
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Mersi,
intre timp am auzit de o dezmembrare langa Dezmir unde au punti si in drum spre acolo era o alta dezmembrare/magazin piese auto/service, unde nu au punti dar zic ca imi pot schimba ei bara. 200lei o bara folosita, 1 luna garantie, 250lei manopera si o schimba in 4 ore, nu 8 ore ca locul ala scump.

Ma duc la ei primu lucru luni dimineata, baietii de acolo pareau foarte de treaba.
Magazinul se cheama Autozuz, e intre Someseni si Sannicoara, as pune un link dar nu stiu daca e voie, dar cei interesati pot da o cautare pe google.
Proprietarul chiar are un Kangoo 4x4, zice ca schimba bare aproape saptamanal.


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post 5 Jul 2016, 09:05
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Na, sa rezolvat, au facut schimbul si realiniarea in 1:30-2 ore, desi manopera am platit tot de 4 ore, dar na putea so faca sa dureze 4 daca vroia.
Eu sunt fericit, dar acum ca sta mai sus si in spate (cum trebuia si inainte) parca e mai instabila masina (se clatina mai mult).
Recomand Autozuz pentru toti cei din judetul Cluj, si nu numai cu masini Renault.

Cum marchez topicul inchis ? nu vad optiuni de schimbare a titlului sau de a inchide topicul.


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post 5 Jul 2016, 17:32
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Pfoaiiii....bine era daca te defectai inaintea mea smile.gif)...nu mai umblam aiurea prin Turda, mai ales ca lucrez prin zona Someseni (ce ironie). Oricum ii bine de tinut minte si bine ca ai rezolvat problema.


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post 5 Jul 2016, 20:34
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Pai cum am zis, am dat si eu peste ei din greseala, am fost la vreo 3 mecanici in Apahida si la vreo 2 in Cluj, doar aia de la Autocheck Center ar fi vrut s-o schimbe, si aia sunt cam smecheri dupa mine, adica trebuie sa comanzi piesa originala prin ei, deci adauga la pret sunt sigur, si mai si ziceau ca trebuie schimbat 2 bucse ca sa poti schimba bara, ceea ce e nu e adevarat.
Si pentru o firma asa mare (adica aveau vreo 6 garaje cam fiecare specializata pe o anumita reparatie, si vreo 6 mecanici) sa le ia 8 ore sa schimbe o bara mi se pare ridicol.

Na oricum, e bine ca stim de ei (de Autozuz), pe un site dedicat Renault, tipi ca astia ar trebui sa fie undeva pe prima pagina a forumului.


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QUOTE(JoeGP @ 5 Jul 2016, 09:05)
Na, sa rezolvat, au facut schimbul si realiniarea in 1:30-2 ore, desi manopera am platit tot de 4 ore, dar na putea so faca sa dureze 4 daca vroia.
Eu sunt fericit, dar acum ca sta mai sus si in spate (cum trebuia si inainte) parca e mai instabila masina (se clatina mai mult).
Recomand Autozuz pentru toti cei din judetul Cluj, si nu numai cu masini Renault.

Cum marchez topicul inchis ? nu vad optiuni de schimbare a titlului sau de a inchide topicul.
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Pai de ce vrei sa inchzi un topic UTIL
ma refer la informatie,intrebari si raspunsuri , in situatia cand -si pe aici,sunt destule postari inutile-nu este si cazul tau !
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post 22 Jul 2016, 17:24
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Pai asa se proceda la alte forumuri, sa ramana deschis atunci.

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Saptamana trecuta mi s-au mai rupt inca 2 bari, costand inca 650 lei, lectia e ca e mai bine sa cumperi o punte completa (daca gasesti), a 4-a bara parea sa fie in stare mai buna, poate a mai fost schimbata, sa vedem cat tine. Capetele barilor astea au iesit mult mai greu, a trebuit sa dea jos puntea si s-o baga sub o presa de 20 de tone ca sa iasa.

Am citit in mai multe locuri ca trebuie sa pui bara la fel cu ce ai scos, dar mecanici de la Autozuz mi-au pus una plina in loc de cea "goala", ca aia tine mai mult, nu pot sa zic ca se observa diferenta. (asta a fost data trecuta)

Partea interesanta e ca barile sau rupt cat timp masina statea aproape goala in curte, aveam doar sculele in ea. Dusesem 8 saci de ciment cu 3 zile inainte (320kg) si am mers foarte grijuliu acei 6km, poate cu ocazia aia au crapat barile, dar am mai fost pana in Cluj ultima zi (~50km dus-intors) si nu avea nimic.

Azi am avut 'norocul' sa-mi schimbe si pompa de frana si chestia aia mare atasata de ea (ceva cu "bo....", bosca ?) ca nu prea mai mergea frana cum trebuie, la prima pompare mergea aproape pana in podea si tinea slab, la a doua pompare era normal de tare si prindea bine. Alta distractie de 270lei.


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post 23 Jul 2016, 21:17
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Salut!
In topicul initiat de Daiwa espacern a subliniat clar ca barele de torsiune se schimba toate...sau se ia o punte second-hand cu garantie(idee sustinuta si de mine).


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Eu zic ca mai mare incredere ai acum in puntea reparata decat in una second pe care dai acum 7-8 sute de ron si dupa 2 luni sau mai mult o schimbi iar...Intradevar daca iei una cum a zis Espacern, cu garantie, ii bine, dar una cu garantie eu am gasit la 1500 roni ...acu' fa un calcul....eu zic ca ai iesit bine. Se putea sa scapi cu prima operatie, n-aveai de unde sa stii...bineinteles ca cel mai bine ii sa le schimbi pe toate 4, dar ne dau banii afara din casa pe toti, ca altfel aveam Xcinciuri sau altele....


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Din experienta proprie si invatamintele trase :

Barile de torsiune au niste coduri- au 3 inele de vopsea in culori si combinatii diferite. Poti inlocui o singura bara DAR cu una ce are acelasi cod de culori. Asta o spune manualul service si oricare mecanic adevarat .
Eu am inlocuit o singura bara in conditiile de mai sus si dupa 6 sau 7 ani nu am probleme !


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salut , regret ca nu am mai intrat demult pe aici , nu am mai avut probleme cu puntea.. sincer regret absenta pentru ca te puteam ajuta eu sunt tare multumit de lucrarea facuta si am schimbat doar o bara .acum am intrat pentru ca am alte probleme si s tudiam pompele de injectie biggrin.gif....daca mai ai nevoie iti pot da nr de telefon din turda .


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Buna,am si eu o problema cu puntea spate la Renault Kankoo 2001,bate tare pe dreapta spate,ceva bucse acolo, la Bistrita nici un mecanic nu se incumeta sa le schimbe ,toti imi recomanda pute second dar cum zicea cineva le iei ca la loz in plic nu sti cat te tine.
Am vazut numarul din Turda de la tipul care remediaza punti,stie cineva cum lucreaza ?


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QUOTE(sorincimpan @ 8 Aug 2016, 14:57)
Buna,am si eu o problema cu puntea spate la Renault Kankoo 2001,bate tare pe dreapta spate,ceva bucse acolo, la Bistrita nici un mecanic nu se incumeta sa le  schimbe ,toti imi recomanda pute second dar cum zicea cineva le iei ca la loz in plic nu sti cat te tine.
Am vazut numarul din Turda de la tipul care remediaza punti,stie cineva cum lucreaza ?
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nu stiu exact cine sunt desi sunt din acea zona (sunt mai multe ateliere in zona ) ..incearca sa vorbesti cu ei


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Salut. Si la mine la Kangoo 2001 batea tare in gropi si se lasa tare de spate cand il incarcam. Cei din Turda au rezolvat problema: demontat punte, inlocuit rulmentii si bucsi si este ok. Sau incearca la cei din Cluj mentionati mai sus.

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Dupa 340.000 km, din care ultimii insotiti de un zgomot din ce in ce mai mare la puntea spate la rularea pe drumuri rele sau trecerea peste gropi, am decis ca e cazul sa schimb bucsele de la puntea spate. Dupa inlocuire, diferenta e enorm de mare, nu atat faptul ca a disparut zgomotul ce aparea la gropi sau pe drumuri de piatra, cat faptul ca masina e mult mai stabila pe drumuri cu usoare denivelari.
Pentru cei care ajung sa schimbe bucsele de la puntea spate, e bine sa stiti ca sunt 2 modele de bucse, functie de nivelul de echipare (cu sau fara echipare pentru drumuri rele). Bucsa cu 2 cote exterioare este pentru masinile cu echipare normala iar cea cu o singura cota exterioara este pentru masinile cu echipare pentru drumuri rele.



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QUOTE(ccoto @ 20 Jun 2017, 08:26)
Dupa 340.000 km.................................



Suntem frati si la km rulati si la necazuri ! biggrin.gif

PS. Caut 2 bari torsiune -lungi. Daca auzi sau vezi pe undeva da-mi de veste .
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Am gasit si cumparat 2 bari .
Am auns la mecanici si am inceput demontarea.
Baros+Bara de otel 26mm diametru+ spray degripant + un flex si muschi.
Astea sunt necesare pentru scoaterea celor doua bucati de bara.Cu dispozitivul de extragere nu sunt sanse decat daca ai umblat acolo in urma cu 3-4 luni,nu a intrat apa si ai uns bine capetele canelate.
Am gasit doar o bara rupta pe care pentru usurarea extragerii am taiat-o .
Cam 20 minute de bataie amarnica 1/2 din spray si ciotul a iesit. La fel si pentru bara intreaga. Montarea se face dupa curatare si gresare .Merge foarte usor ,dar musai dupa demontarea amortizoarelor-spate normal.Puntea va cadea destul de mult ,dar fara panica si cu atentie montezi barile faci o proba lasand masina pe roti si dupa ce ai ajuns la convingerea ca este OK montezi totul si zici fericit : AM FACUT- O si P"asta .

PS. Am ramas cu o bara de torsiune in masina.Este de vanzare pentru un alt Kangoorist in suferinta,atunci cand va sa vina vremea !

Nu o pun la sectiunea vanzari ca nu are rost sa urc un topic pentru ceva ce se va vinde candva in viitor !
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In urma cu cateva zile s-a rupt si ultima bara-originala de la Kangur.Este cea scurta din partea stanga.
Stiind la ce sa ma astept am inceput cu degripant ,am dat o zi,am dat doua si apoi am trecut la ciocane.
Nimic !
Am dat iar cu degripant si asteptat 2 zile si am trecut iar la ciocan.
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Am apelat la Demostene-barosul de 10 kg.
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Am dat iar cu degripant si astept.
Mai incerc o data cu Demostene peste cateva zile.
Daca va da dovada de aceeasi reticenta nu am alta solutie decat sa dau puntea jos , sa pun un autogen pe bucatile de bara si ... mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif


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Bara trebuie scoasa spre exterior....cu ajutorul unui dispozitiv care se infileteaza pe bara si o trage afara.


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QUOTE(espacern @ 9 Apr 2020, 10:14)
Bara trebuie scoasa spre exterior....cu ajutorul unui dispozitiv care se infileteaza pe bara si o trage afara.
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Nu a vrut sa coopereze nici cu acel dispozitiv.Inca nu am rezolvat,dar am avut destul timp sa mai caut solutii pentru rezolvare .Am una in cap si o voi testa in curand !


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Salut cu aceasta ocazie initiatorul.(sunt din Bontida ,5km departare).bai...ce sa zic? de vreo luna aud la kangur(1.4 benzina din 98)o bocaneala spate pe dreapta.dus la service si cica dusa bucsa de la bara de torsiune.pai ca sa cautam punte zic aia ca nustiu ce.aiurea ,tre sa se poata face ceva.(ma gandeam) pun masina pe o rampa, intru cu in amic mester sub ea,si dupa indelungi calcule si verificari de doua ore decidem urmatoarele:

Sudam bara de torsiune in locul unde a fost o bucsa de cauciuc.iata ca a trecut o luna si masina merge ca unsa fara bocaneli su fara schimbari la amortizare. practic e ca inainte.am is ca daca se va duce si bucsa de pe stanga o sudez si pe aia. radmasa.gif


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QUOTE(taifun3 @ 20 Jun 2020, 19:48)
Sudam bara de torsiune in locul unde a fost o bucsa de cauciuc.iata ca a trecut o luna si masina merge ca unsa fara bocaneli su fara schimbari la amortizare. practic e ca inainte.am is ca daca se va duce si bucsa de pe stanga o sudez si pe aia. radmasa.gif
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Si ai facut ciobanie. Sa te vad cand se rupe bara de torsiune cum o mai schimbi.
Corect trebuia sa iti inlocuiasca mecanicul bucsa de la punte.


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Pun arcuri. (am si calculat) biggrin.gif


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Nu iti mai da ITP-ul, te ia cu modificari neomologate biggrin.gif si va trebui sa cumperi o punte spate completa sh


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Numai ca:am sudat bara de capatul bucsei si dupa o luna iara bocaneli.s-a rupt sudura.de unde rezulta dupa indelungi constatari ca bara nu e rupta.am luat doua bucsi si m-am apucat de bocanit.am ciocanit o juma' de zi si am zis ca m-am saturat.musai sa o dau la un service sa-i schimbe puntea.nu am ce face.

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QUOTE(taifun3 @ 21 Jun 2020, 09:15)
Pun arcuri. (am si calculat) biggrin.gif
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Schimba puntea, e cel mai bine. Cauta una sh, pui bucsi noi si gata.


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